Game 43: Miami HEAT (29-13) @ Indiana Pacers (27-19) - 2/1/13 - 7:00 PM ET - ESPN

**SteBO** · 02-01-2013, 10:03 PM

The coaching staff really wants to make it work with Haslem, but its to a fault....wish Spo would listen to me and move Bosh back to the 4 and start Birdman. I don't think that's an overreaction, because the way we start games defensively sometimes baffles me....

**Dré** · 02-01-2013, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Slug3

Well say bye bye to Spo coaching the east and come tomorrow night say bye to that one seed. Haslem needs to never play. He is what kills this team. Does anyone remember how much Joel started last year and how good the D was? It wasn't broke and we tried to fix it and now have no identity.

Lol wut? Haslem?

Haslem barely gets minutes. And when he does get some decent playing time, he usually shows up. Tonight he managed only 3 rebs in 23 mins, which is bad considering he logs mins as a C/PF. But Bosh had 2 in over 30 mins of playing time.

When are you guys going to realize Haslem makes a little over 4 mil, so while he's not a great player, he's still a very solid rotation player (has generally been above-average on a per-min basis), which makes him a bargain at the end of the day. Bosh on the other hand, has made over 15 mil annually the last several seasons, without performing anything like a superstar or star for that matter. Haslem's rate of return is actually higher than Bosh's. Bosh is cap-strapping you guys (similar to Kobe in LA; another overpaid cap-strapper).

I've said it before (HERE and HERE), when Bosh isn't shooting efficiently, he's doing absolutely nothing for your team.

He will unfortunately hinder you guys in the long run. Look @ tonight for example, the Pacers were terrible on the glass, but despite an off-rebounding night from Indiana, Miami still managed to be worse. And it wasn't Wade and Bron's fault, who still collected 12 rebs in ~41 mins of playing time (that's not bad from your two-guard and swing forward, who see large chunks of action out on the wing). You guys will only go as far as LeBron and Wade will carry you, which it shouldn't be.

**JNoel** · 02-01-2013, 10:09 PM

Definitely need to start Bird and move Bosh back to his natural position.

**Slug3** · 02-01-2013, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dré

Lol wut? Haslem?

Haslem barely gets minutes. And when he does get some decent playing time, he usually shows up. Tonight he managed only 3 rebs in 23 mins, which is bad considering he logs mins as a C/PF. But Bosh had 2 in over 30 mins of playing time.

When are you guys going to realize Haslem makes a little over 4 mil, so while he's not a great player, he's still a very solid rotation player (has generally been above-average on a per-min basis), which makes him a bargain at the end of the day. Bosh on the other hand, has made over 15 mil annually the last several seasons, without performing anything like a superstar or star for that matter. Haslem's rate of return is actually higher than Bosh's. Bosh is cap-strapping you guys (similar to Kobe in LA; another overpaid cap-strapper).

I've said it before (HERE and HERE), when Bosh isn't shooting efficiently, he's doing absolutely nothing for your team.

He will unfortunately hinder you guys in the long run. Look @ tonight for example, the Pacers were terrible on the glass, but despite an off-rebounding night from Indiana, Miami still managed to be worse. And it wasn't Wade and Bron's fault, who still collected 12 rebs in ~41 mins of playing time (that's not bad from your two-guard and swing forward who see large chunks of action out on the wing).

You only come in here and comment when the Heat play nationally and then act like you study this team day and night. We all know Bosh doesn't rebound so comparing him to UD won't do anything. UD can no longer shoot. His great jumper is now gone. Then he is a undersized PF guarding centers who shoot over him. Joel and Anderson need to be playing over them and their D is light years ahead of UD and they can still get as many points and boards while playing D.

**Dré** · 02-01-2013, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Slug3

You only come in here and comment when the Heat play nationally and then act like you study this team day and night. We all know Bosh doesn't rebound so comparing him to UD won't do anything. UD can no longer shoot. His great jumper is now gone. Then he is a undersized PF guarding centers who shoot over him. Joel and Anderson need to be playing over them and their D is light years ahead of UD and they can still get as many points and boards while playing D.

Considering history, Anderson is a great rebounder, probably better than Haslem actually. Overall, he offers more too. But I don't get where you're getting that Joel Anthony is? Anthony is a notoriously poor rebounder, worse than Bosh on per-min basis actually (8.9 rebs per 48!!! For his career). Outside of shot-blocking and not turning the ball over (which are important to a degree), Anthony doesn't offer much else.

**Slug3** · 02-01-2013, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dré

Considering history, Anderson is a great rebounder, probably better than Haslem actually. Overall, he offers more too. But I don't get where you're getting that Joel Anthony is? Anthony is a notoriously poor rebounder, worse than Bosh on per-min basis actually (8.9 rebs per 48!!!). Outside of shot-blocking and not turning the ball over (which is important to a degree), Anthony doesn't offer much else.

I was referring those two to what haslem can do. Bosh needs to play PF and not C.

**FreakaNashur** · 02-01-2013, 10:17 PM

Losing is tough. the refs were horrible tonight.

**Bring The Heat** · 02-01-2013, 10:23 PM

Am I the only one who can't stand Lance Stephenson? Dude pouts his chest like he's an all-star. Talks crap to LeBron and Wade... Dude you have done nothing in this league to show boat and act like your any good... Never had respect for this idiot since he did that choking sign last year to LeBron...

**Dade County** · 02-01-2013, 10:51 PM

HEAT played really bad tonight... on to the next game...con-artist...smh

**justinnum1** · 02-01-2013, 11:04 PM

WADE: "I'm glad we could bring the best out of them. [LAUGHING] They came in and wanted to win this game."

lol

**Slug3** · 02-01-2013, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by justinnum1

lol

It was like that last year. Even after we beat them they still wouldn't shut up.

**gotoHcarolina52** · 02-01-2013, 11:35 PM

@EthanJSkolnick

LeBron: "We don't need victories against the top 4 teams (in East). We'd love to have them, but we don't need them."

Yeah, they'd love to have them, but only if it doesn't take too much energy/effort.

**dimgim** · 02-02-2013, 04:35 AM

I wish Lebron would stop talkin so much all that champion and lack of compensation stuff dang shut up and ball, Wade to but Bosh 2 rebs in 30mins, Ray Allen 0 pts in 30mins thats pretty bad. Birdman dang kinda makes you wonder what took so long to get the guy, a productive big man wow who knew.

**Im_in_Mia_bish** · 02-02-2013, 10:17 AM

we need a good rotation to start out the second quarter.

evry goddamn game he goes with

cole
allen
battier
lewis
bosh

by far one of the most terrible rotations on either side of the floor.
every single team we play, they get a solid lead in the beginning of the second quarter...

**Im_in_Mia_bish** · 02-02-2013, 10:19 AM

i want everyone here to pay attention to the second quarter and notice how terrible we play in the start with that rotation.

save for a handful of moments this season, the second unit has been utter garbage.

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