Grace career WAR rate is 3.12 (per 600 PA)...not so impressive.
Aight, lemme end this with a KO right now:
Ryne Sandberg: 9282 PA | 4.05 fWAR/600 | 4.2 rWAR/600 PA
Chase Utley: 5128 PA | 6.32 fWAR/600 PA | 6.26 rWAR/600 PA
Utley has 1/2 as many PAs right now...thats definitely whats hurting his HOF hopes, but he has been clearly more valuable than Sandberg in his career. If he can get another 2000 PA (3 full seasons) of 4.5+ WAR rate, then he >>> Sandbage
Future Hall of Shamers:
(1) B.A.L.C.O. Barroids (2) Mark McJuicer (3) Jose Chem-seco (4) Rafael Palmeiroids (5) Ken Chem-initi (6) Jason Gi-andro (7) Ryan Fraud (8) Muscle Melk (9) Woman-Ram (10) Shammy Sosa (11) Roger Clear-mens (12) A-Roid
I don't know if they are decent though.
Mark Grace is a disgrace
He needs a reverend to help him make the right decisions
then he won't have to go to prison, just like the 49ers
needed a reverend today to help them stay focused
Without the right support, you can easily mess up
as proven by Mark Grace and the 49ers
This note is to WadeKobe as well who lauded Jeffy 25,denial is not just the name of a river in Egypt.
AA is an effective way to quit drinking IF you're committed to doing so.
The idea that AA caters to week-minded individuals is ridiculous in that the commitment to give up an addiction takes a tremendous amount of courage and desire and to automatically dismiss these people is an afront to their courage
FYI, check out the link: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/info/addiction/
Merely saying that you get drunk 3 times a week, WadeKobe, because you work in the industry is an excuse for your alcohol dependency. Wake up and go get help. If you're not an AA kind of guy, go do something else before you get behind the wheel of a car and kill someone.
If you're the type of guy who can get drunk and fool yourself into thinking that just because you haven't got caught yet, everything is ok, your fooling yourself. You may go your whole life never getting caught, but you are doing irrepperable harm to your liver and and are riking your life and the lives of every driver you pass on the road. In short, you's a selfish bastard with utter disregard for anyone's life. When you do get in that inevitable accident, I sincerely hope you are unharmed and, more importantly, I hope it's a single car accident.
Pretty sure Wade and myself have clearly pointed out how we do not drink and drive, and if we do drink, it's in an appropriate setting and situation............ya know, the responsible way of handling it.
Drinking three nights a week does not mean someone has an alcohol dependency. Because I used to get drunk every night does not mean I had an alcohol dependency. I quit drinking because I wanted to quit drinking. I didn't need AA, and I didn't need any outside help. I just quit and stopped running around with the same people that always wanted to get drunk.
It's not that damn hard. Just make adult decisions.
You can't defend that you don't have a drinking problem.
You can't. If anyone asks you 'do you have a drinking problem?'
No defense in the world will make it sound like you don't. You can't say 'I don't have a drinking problem' without it sounding like you have a drinking problem
Good, go to jail.
The Cult of Gattis
This has confused me for a LONG time. Everyone is so adamant about getting drunks off the street but doing the obvious (sitting outside bars) is completely off limits. I too, would have at least one DUI if they did sit outside of bars but it would be a lot safer for everyone.Originally Posted by Jeffy25.
The Cult of Gattis
Alright, I buy the fact that you used to drink every night of the week but as you stated you didn't really have an alcohol dependency. If you've ever seen a real lush you know that it isn't as easy as quitting cold turkey when you start shaking after 24 hours without alcohol and feel like you want to die. It really isn't very simple. I've known people who have "quit" only to hop back on the wagon when they felt like they were safe. If you are a former alcoholic you can NEVER drink again, even socially. You've crossed the line and you can't uncross it.
And believe me, the people who are going to AA are the kinds of alcoholics that have hit rock bottom and now have to claw their way out of the **** and I don't think that's the kind of thing most people on here can relate to assuming they've never lost their jobs because they couldn't stay sober for 8 hours.
I don't know you, but to say: "I didn't need AA, and I didn't need outside help" is meaningless if you are just some random guy who drank liquor with his buddies growing up. I know people who have alcoholic grandparents, alcoholic parents, and on their way to being alcholics because of genetics.
Yes, they are weak for continuing the illness, but "your" experience is nothing similar to anyone else's. You hung around people who wanted to get drunk, it doesn't sound like you never had an everlasting sensation to quench your thirst with alcohol (like some people have). That is alcoholism, not cutting ties with your idiot friends who enjoy drinking alcohol like sailors.