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    Quote Originally Posted by KaganRS View Post
    You cannot actually be serious about saying some team won a trade - it will take 2+ years to figure this out.

    This trade was actually beneficial on different levels for each team.

    Toronto - it's hard to get stars to come there because they don't realize Toronto is an amazing place

    Detroit- they need plenty of cap space and to rid themselves of crap players ( stuckey and charlie V you're next)

    Memphis - under the cap and are able to retool without losing to much.

    Some of you are equating winning a trade by the best player involved - that's pretty narrow focused in today's nba as i'm sure most of you are well aware of how the league's financial system works.
    Finally a post that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockbottom2010 View Post
    another reason why memphis did this trade is because of luxury tax issues...memphis is a small market team...i expect them to trade randolph during the off season....and i don't think daye would be a type of player that will replace gay......im not sure what hollins is going to do...they have to start from scratch...they even got rid of their bench to the cavaliers.....

    golden state and denver will face each other during the playoffs.....
    Daye is a fantastic MVP caliber player. He will be Kevin Durant 2.0

    Get this guy the ball!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket View Post
    Daye is a fantastic MVP caliber player. He will be Kevin Durant 2.0
    ahahahahahahha....keep dreaming

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockbottom2010 View Post
    ahahahahahahha....keep dreaming

    Get this guy the ball!!!!

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    So now Ed Davis is good because he's on another team, & Rudy Gay sucks because he's on the Raptors lol.

    Grizzlies will learn why Ed Davis was available and why Terrence Ross was untouchable.
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    What do you mean ? Austin Daye is better than Kevin Durant ! it's not a dream.

    Back in the day ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket View Post
    i know - some people don't understand sarcasm ...

    Back in the day ...

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    Let's see them play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket View Post
    u should be ashamed of yourself...ppl like u are such a joke....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaganRS View Post
    i know - some people don't understand sarcasm ...
    another pistons fan....

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    Hey rockbottom, I know how much you like ESPN..

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...trade-rudy-gay

    1. Good deal or bad deal for the Grizzlies?

    Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: Good deal. The Grizzlies had zero financial flexibility and a bottom-10 offense -- and Rudy Gay was complicit in both. They'll lose nothing defensively at the wing with Tayshaun Prince, and they pick up one of the most promising young frontcourt players in the game in Ed Davis, who will allow them to shop Zach Randolph in the offseason should they choose to.

    Chip Crain, 3 Shades of Blue: Great deal, but a sad one just the same. The team was among the highest salaried in the league to start the season. It is now below the luxury tax not just for this year but next as well. For a team with the lowest revenues in the league that is a positive, but you hate to see Gay go just the same.

    Dan Feldman, Piston Powered: Good deal. The Grizzles got the most valuable player (Davis) in the deal while cutting significant salary. They might take a step back considering they're downgrading a starting spot while upgrading only a backup spot, but if they were intent on cutting salary, they couldn't have done much better.

    Ian Levy, The Two Man Game: Bad deal. It may look different tomorrow, but right now I'm confused. Davis is great, but the value he provides is depressed when he has to fight Randolph, Marc Gasol and Darrell Arthur for frontcourt minutes. I'm not sure Austin Daye and Prince really solve their offensive spacing issues. Mostly, I'm surprised that this was the best deal available.

    Blake Murphy, Raptors Republic: Great deal. They save money, which is huge for them, and Prince improves their floor-spacing and wing defense.

    Danny Nowell, Portland Roundball Soc.: Good deal. Just short of a great one. The Grizzlies swapped a semi-redundant talent for two big team needs -- efficient depth and shooting -- while saving a lot of money at the same time. This is nice work.

    2. Good deal or bad deal for the Raptors?


    Arnovitz: Bad deal, because in 18 months Davis will likely be the best player in the deal. Gay is pretty much the big gulp version of DeMar DeRozan -- a tall, inefficient slasher at his position who doesn't move the ball, doesn't shoot all that proficiently and doesn't stand out at the defensive end.

    Crain: Bad deal. The Raptors have picked up salary for next season, lost a very valuable player and a good prospect, and landed a player who has yet to live up to his reputation in college or the pros. Gay is a dynamic player but not someone you build a franchise around, even though he is paid like it.

    Feldman: Bad deal. The Raptors' four leaders in usage rate -- Rudy Gay, Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan and Alan Anderson -- all have field goal percentages below the league average. Everyone knows the best way to build a team is by stockpiling low-efficiency and high-priced (Anderson exempted on the latter) scorers. Right?

    Levy: It's a wash. Gay has his problems, but he's a huge upgrade over anyone else the Raptors have run out at small forward. It does create a new set of problems on the perimeter, where he and DeRozan give the Raptors one of the worst outside-shooting wing tandems in the league. However, it's hard to criticize the Raptors too much for rolling the dice here.

    Murphy: OK deal. They sold high on Jose Calderon and Ed Davis and bought low on Gay, the best player in the deal. Gay is overpaid but he is the best wing the Raptors have had since Vince Carter.

    Nowell: Bad deal. Hard to see what the plan is in Toronto, where they are now building around an expensive core of athletic wings with limited creation skills. Perhaps, at least, this is the liberation Kyle Lowry and his army of blogger backers have been seeking his entire career.

    3. Good deal or bad deal for the Pistons?

    Arnovitz: Good deal. They clear serious cap space going forward and Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe will have a blast playing with Jose Calderon, even if only for 12 weeks.

    Crain: Good deal. They got rid of an aging player on a rebuilding team in Prince and jettisoned a player who never reached his potential in Daye. Calderon's expiring deal gives the Pistons more freedom financially moving forward and provides some nice play while he is there.

    Feldman: Good deal. The Pistons should be about developing their young talent and acquiring more of it, and this deal helps do both. Calderon will run the pick-and-roll with Drummond and throw entry passes to Monroe in ways no other Piston can. Plus, Calderon's defensive deficiencies should get the rim-protecting Drummond more playing time. After the season, Calderon's expiring contract will allow the Pistons to acquire even more talent.

    Levy: Great deal. They saved themselves some money by unloading Prince and get a rental on Calderon for the rest of the season. His savvy, vision and passing can do some powerful things for the development of Brandon Knight and Drummond, and give the Pistons a much better chance of chasing down the Celtics for the No. 8 seed in the East. Where's the downside?

    Murphy: Good deal. Giving up on Austin Daye early isn't ideal, but they get out from under Prince's deal, which has three years left on it. Calderon is a good fit with their big men (imagine the Calderon-to-Drummond alley-oops!), but they're now deep at the guard spots.

    Nowell: Good deal. They have a hole at the 3 now, but this should allow their current guards to function in the scoring roles, which seems like a more natural fit, and should lead to an endless stream of highlights from Drummond in the pick-and-roll.

    4. Whose outlook improves the most because of this deal?

    Arnovitz: It might seem confounding to some Grizzlies fans, but Memphis' newfound ability to acquire some depth and maneuver under the cap should give it a nice opportunity to add (and retain) some important pieces in the offseason.

    Crain: The homer in me says Memphis, because the Grizzlies receive a talented young forward-center, a second-round draft pick and a small forward who can spread the court to replace Gay. But I have to say Detroit gained the most long-term. Prince is tough to lose, but the freedom to rebuild and give younger players a chance has to be exciting for fans.

    Feldman: O.J. Mayo. In five seasons, Mayo has never had an above-average salary. That's about to change. There's a team in Michigan that suddenly has even more cap room and an even greater need for a scoring wing. If the Pistons don't sign Mayo, they'll likely sign another similar player, reducing the supply and raising Mayo's price for another team. Mayo is going to get paid, and how could anyone's outlook improve more than that?

    Levy: The Pistons. This makes the 8-seed in the East more than just a realistic possibility. One trend we've seen over the past few seasons is a young team sneaking into the playoffs, giving the top seed a tough series and using that momentum to catapult its development into the future. The Hawks did it. The Pacers did it. Now the Pistons could be poised to do it.

    Murphy: Kyle Lowry. With Calderon gone, the Raptors are now his to run, and he even has his best friend (Gay) in town with him. This team will be built around those two from here on out, which gives Lowry the security he has never had in his career.

    Nowell: Detroit generally, Drummond specifically. Detroit moves its young players to more sensible positions for their development and mitigates some team weaknesses while it eyes a playoff seed. Drummond learns how to move in concert with an archetypal, if only better-than-average, distributor.

    5. Whose outlook declines the most because of this deal?


    Arnovitz: The Raptors. Their staff has done a tremendous job of coaching Davis up and he had emerged as their most prolific frontcourt player while working on a rookie contract. Now they're locked into two big contracts for DeRozan and Gay, who have true shooting percentages of 47.8 and 50.0 respectively at the wings.

    Crain: Assuming Memphis doesn't implode from all the transactions, and that threat can't be overlooked, Toronto looks like the big loser. Gay teaming with DeRozan creates space issues for the Raptors, who also lost a good 3-point threat in Calderon. Bargnani returns to the starting lineup soon too, which will create more. They also added salary, thereby limiting their opportunity to make moves to improve the team this summer.

    Feldman: Boston Celtics. If Lawrence Frank makes him the team's primary point guard, Calderon makes the Pistons, 4 games back from Celtics for the No. 8 seed, instantly better. The Raptors (5 games back) think they got better too, and they're also lurking. Oh, and there goes Boston's chance of trading for Lowry.

    Levy: The Raptors. I think they'll really miss Davis, and I think there's a good chance they'll get an emotionally wounded Gay determined to prove himself. I see a lot of contested midrange jumpers in Toronto's immediate future.

    Murphy: Ed Davis in the short term. His rebounding will keep him in the rotation, but Davis' minutes will be slashed as the fourth big on the Grizzlies. Can learning under Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol cancel out the loss in playing time?

    Nowell: The Raptors. This early, I don't see a specific player who is harmed by this deal tremendously, but this seems to cement Toronto's status as payroll castaways, toiling in a market that's invisible to many with a payroll that lacks enough room to add value.
    Last edited by Gators123; 01-31-2013 at 10:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gators123 View Post
    Hey rockbottom, I know how much you like ESPN..

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...trade-rudy-gay
    what are you trying to pull out of this....thats just predictions....but overall...according to sports nation....toronto won this trade.....u can hate as much as u want

    so wat about this

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    Twitter poll results: Who got the best of the Rudy Gay trade? 53% say TOR; 24% say DET; 23% say MEM.

    by the way...stop being desperate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockbottom2010 View Post
    what are you trying to pull out of this....thats just predictions....but overall...according to sports nation....toronto won this trade.....u can hate as much as u want

    so wat about this

    The NBA on ESPN ‏@ESPNNBA
    Twitter poll results: Who got the best of the Rudy Gay trade? 53% say TOR; 24% say DET; 23% say MEM.

    by the way...stop being desperate....
    Possibly the best post I've seen ever. Period.

    Get this guy the ball!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwrighter View Post
    So now Ed Davis is good because he's on another team, & Rudy Gay sucks because he's on the Raptors lol.

    Grizzlies will learn why Ed Davis was available and why Terrence Ross was untouchable.
    finally, somebody understands

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket View Post
    Possibly the best post I've seen ever. Period.
    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...n-trade-night/

    btw...how old are you....18, 19...cuz ur new to the game

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