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    Quote Originally Posted by cambovenzi View Post
    There is a difference between not guaranteeing a major league contract and a "minor leaguer"
    Guys like Hawkins and Feliciano are not "minor league" players. Hawkins has been pitching in the MLB every year since 1995, often with good results. Mid 3 ERA last season and low 2 the year before.
    This is another nice low-risk pick up in an effort to improve the pen.
    Exactly, this isn't one of those" Let's hope he can regain his form of three years ago" deals. If Hawkins and Atchison are healthy they will be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Another minor leaguer!!!! Do you think the Mets are trying tell us something?
    Quote Originally Posted by cambovenzi View Post
    There is a difference between not guaranteeing a major league contract and a "minor leaguer"
    Guys like Hawkins and Feliciano are not "minor league" players. Hawkins has been pitching in the MLB every year since 1995, often with good results. Mid 3 ERA last season and low 2 the year before.
    This is another nice low-risk pick up in an effort to improve the pen.
    Well said.
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by cambovenzi View Post
    There is a difference between not guaranteeing a major league contract and a "minor leaguer"
    Guys like Hawkins and Feliciano are not "minor league" players. Hawkins has been pitching in the MLB every year since 1995, often with good results. Mid 3 ERA last season and low 2 the year before.
    This is another nice low-risk pick up in an effort to improve the pen.
    Plus if they suck, they can be easily released or sent down. Some of these low-risk moves will work out, others will not. But if you collect a large quantity like Sandy has done/or is doing, eventually the end result will be good.

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    Good move. I like that SA is stockpiling good arms for the bullpen on minor league contracts.. If one of them fails bring up another. Also the report by Heyman that the Mets are still in on bullpen gets me excited that this bullpen can be a strength this year with alot of veteran and youth depth.
    #oneatatime

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    Aside from internally, this is how bullpens are pieced together.

    Look at teams like Baltimore, Tampa, and Oakland..

    They all had top 5 bullpens in the league last year ERA wise and a lot of those guys were guys they brought up from their minor league system and/or low risk acquisitions.
    Last edited by metswon69; 01-31-2013 at 11:44 AM.

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    Sandy is very smart. He saw what Baltimore accomplished last season in a competitive AL east, and is trying to do the same with the Mets. Talent-wise, we aren't much different, but what made Baltimore great was their pen controlling close games. If our pen can be a strength, it will help out a lot.

    A very good pen is key to overachieving.

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    I want sandy to sign Joey Divine from Oakland.He would be a good closer.

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    If SA can develop the bullpen into a strength and eventually having a rotation of wheeler,harvey,niese,and gee it would be great.If marcum can be healthy this year and we sign him to a multi year contract i think we can be contenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Sandy is very smart. He saw what Baltimore accomplished last season in a competitive AL east, and is trying to do the same with the Mets. Talent-wise, we aren't much different, but what made Baltimore great was their pen controlling close games. If our pen can be a strength, it will help out a lot.

    A very good pen is key to overachieving.
    SA knew last season a very good pen was key to overachieving. He signed Rauch, FF, and traded for Ramon Ramirez.. Along with Parnell and Byrdak it looked like a solid pen at first.

    Only problem is FF and Ramirez didnt pan out as well and left Parnell and Rauch to pick up too much slack. The depth of the bullpen with mlb caliber arms just was not there in 2012. Signing players like Hawkins, Atchinson brings about a new strategy of stockpiling arms in case of injury or just the sure fact of someone stepping up and being productive.

    In 2013 the bullpen arms could be FF, Parnell, Edgin, Atchinson, Hawkins, Familia, Mejia, Carson, Feliciano, Byrdak, Hefner.. and reports are saying more bullpen arms are being looked at. That is a deep bullpen of solid arms. We dont need all of them obviously, which makes for a great surplus if someone sucks or goes down to injury.
    #oneatatime

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    Mets Sign LaTroy Hawkins

    With the Mets signing so many guys to minor league deals and the likelihood that quite a few will make it, then they put themselves in a situation in which they will have to make room on the 40 man roster for some of these guys.

    Again I would hate to see a similar situation like last year when Martinez was put on waivers to make room for old crap, this year a guy like Havens would be on the bubble and Lutz as well.

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    I would sign K-Rod to a 2 mill and call it good! That way if he sucks, cut him loose.
    " You seek Yoda!

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    Nvm..
    Last edited by metswon69; 01-31-2013 at 04:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Sandy is very smart. He saw what Baltimore accomplished last season in a competitive AL east, and is trying to do the same with the Mets. Talent-wise, we aren't much different, but what made Baltimore great was their pen controlling close games. If our pen can be a strength, it will help out a lot.

    A very good pen is key to achieving.
    Fixed that for you. No need to "overachieve" when you can just do what has to be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nymetsrule View Post
    Fixed that for you. No need to "overachieve" when you can just do what has to be done.
    No, having a great pen makes winning game easier because they keep games close and shut the other team down when you are ahead. A great bullpen can mask many issues, as the Orioles showed last season.

    Talent-wise overall, they were no better than the Mets really, but they overachieved mostly because of the pen.

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    SA sign more bodies. Keep it up. The more stuff thrown against the wall, something will eventually stick.

    Be prepared. It's going to be a merry-go-round, turnstile-like relief staff.

    Wheeeeeee!
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