The I like Nick Young thread

[WormBurner5]

Nick's game seems more fluid, not forcing the issue, playing D, making the extra pass and yadi yada yada bla bla whatever 5 other cliches you want to add..hurry up Bynum

[RickyPrior]

Wright to the starting 3. Swaggy starts at the 2. Evan hits the pine. We add height...reach...oomph...and some mental toughness.

All agreed?

[RickyPrior]

Wright to the starting 3. Swaggy starts at the 2. Evan hits the pine. We add height...reach...oomph...and some mental toughness.

All agreed?

^^^THIS^^^

And then we also have JRich, Lavoy and ET off the bench. And then Thad when Bynum returns.

Pretty damn good bench going into the playoffs.


All agreed?

[warfelg]

Here's my view on why N. Young is fitting better with starters than the second unit:

In the second unit he was the 'focal point', the guy that could score the ball. When we were on offense teams would be focused on stopping him.

With the starters he's become an 'afterthought' to the defense. In playing us the defenses should stop Jrue #1, watch Spencer with the pop #2, keep Thad and ET from cleaning up the garbage #3. That leaves N. Young as the last guy you tend to worry about and opens things up more for him to do his thing.

Personally I would not move ET to the bench in favor of Wright. Wright is even streakier than ET and thats saying something. A nice second unit of JRich, Wright, Thad, and Spence would sit well with me. Then you could split the ball handling duties with the second unit between ET, Jrue, and Ivey in that order. The only way I would bump ET to the second unit is if we got a 3 along the lines of Richard Jefferson (like I mentioned in the trade thread).

[wannabGM]

I'm not saying that moving ET to the 6th man role can't work. It obviously can. But dammit guys, what a great way to piss off a young building block who we can retain at a moderate price! ET needs to stay in the starting lineup. The benefit gained to the 2nd unit just because ET is moved there is not as dramatic as it is being made out to be. His hindrance to the starting lineup is not so dramatic, either, so long as we actually have a SF playing next to him on the wing. Show some common sense, fellas.

He's young. He can play backup point. He can be a crunch time 1 on 1 option. He can rebound very well at SF and is the best defensive rebounding SG in the game. He can lead the slow break. He hits the corner three. He can create for others. And if he loses maybe a few lbs and works out a few kinks, he can become a more consistent scorer easily. He even has displayed the ability to be a very strong defender at guard in a lot of matchups in a 7 game series. Let's not lose this guy trying to find a short term fix in the now that really isn't any better. Use some common sense. Oh, and he can likely be retained for less than Thad money. That's something we should not take lightly as we are building our core.

[RickyPrior]

I'm not saying that moving ET to the 6th man role can't work. It obviously can. But dammit guys, what a great way to piss off a young building block who we can retain at a moderate price! ET needs to stay in the starting lineup. The benefit gained to the 2nd unit just because ET is moved there is not as dramatic as it is being made out to be. His hindrance to the starting lineup is not so dramatic, either, so long as we actually have a SF playing next to him on the wing. Show some common sense, fellas.

Move him down.

I'd rather have a pissed-off Evan playing off the bench (and then a pissed-off Thad) than put him in there to start, automatically, every night. Suddenly our bench is nearly as good as last year's.

[wannabGM]

He already is playing point with the backups. Bringing him off the bench early in the 1st quarter does nothing for us. He's not an energy guy. He's not a volume shooter. He's a multi-talented player. He needs to start. Get used to it. I know it pains you.

[warfelg]

ET's biggest problem is he isn't a lockdown defender. He isn't a 3. Both of which Doug is using him as.

He's a slightly above average tall two guard with a handle.

However if you want to find a way to keep N. Young in the starting lineup I think it has to come at the expense of finding what ET is doing right now and move ET to the bench.

[RickyPrior]

He already is playing point with the backups. Bringing him off the bench early in the 1st quarter does nothing for us. He's not an energy guy. He's not a volume shooter. He's a multi-talented player. He needs to start. Get used to it. I know it pains you.

1. Who said bring him in "early in the 1st"? Not me. He's a bench player; he comes in with about 4:00 to go in the first.

2. Who says an effective bench player has to be "an energy guy; a volume shooter"? If he creates mismatches because he's better than THEIR bench guys, that's good enough.

3. I wish he WERE 'multi talented'. Nah. He's the definition of inconsistent. An underachieving rebounder; poor defender and lousy shooter. Still an above average NBA player though.

[sjbirds]

Wright to the starting 3. Swaggy starts at the 2. Evan hits the pine. We add height...reach...oomph...and some mental toughness.

All agreed?

why do you think wright isnt getting any playing time?

[RickyPrior]

why do you think wright isnt getting any playing time?

Why do you think I think that.

[Answerback03]

no.. you dont move turner to the bench for wright..

why?

have you seen wright attempt to keep anyone in front of him? it just ain't happening. your best hope is putting him on a shooter where he can use his length.

I am not saying Evan is a lock down defender AT ALL.. but he is the teams best option at defending the 2's and 3's of the league.

with swaggy in the line up evan has done a pretty good job of not forcing things, and he picks up his offense with the second unit.

on top of that, I have more confidence in Evan hitting that corner three than I do Wright at this point.

this whole second unit debate is running dry. either jrue or evan usually come out at 4 minute mark and come back in with the second unit anyway. Its not like we are subbing five in and playing with just the bench anyway.

Besides, when andrew and jrich come back, the bench will be fine. hawes and jrich coming off the bench with lavoy and wright will cut it.

[BChydro86]

Wright to the starting 3. Swaggy starts at the 2. Evan hits the pine. We add height...reach...oomph...and some mental toughness.

All agreed?

I dont hate it, im just not sold that wright is better than ET at anything.

If we added a better defensive 3, i could be on board, im just not loving dorell wright these days.

[RickyPrior]

I dont hate it, im just not sold that wright is better than ET at anything.

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Why not find out.

We're in 9th place.

[BChydro86]

Like i said, i dont hate it.... Id be very willing to give a jrue, swaggy, wright lineup a try for a good 10min straight to see how it feels....