Rudy Gay to the Raptors Trade Discussion Part II

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BC said on fan590 that he really likes DD/Gay for their love of Toronto

We've heard this before. How much has that ever won anyone? Did it do any good for Bayless, Calderon, Davis, Parker, etc? They don't have to love the city, they need to fit with the team and contribute to a winning culture that attracts better players.

[bucketss]

man if we can trade derozan and bargs for al jeff & tinsley ... this team could be legit!!!!

lowry/lucas/tinsley
ross/AA
gay/fields
amir/acy/kleiza
al jeff/jonas

3-4th seed ?

how about for milsap instead.

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Allen didn't say he wanted to come to Toronto, he made a nice comment about the city that people took for him saying he wanted to come. Not much different then Durants recent comments.

Also, at the time of this comment the Raps were in the middle of their 3rd straight losing season so it had nothing to do with a winning franchise.

I agree. When players say things like this it's just them being generous. It doesn't mean they're planning a move to Toronto.

[SA5195]

sure about that ? he may be the only attractive trading chip we have remaining this season.. if we can package him with bargs for a decent return i can see it happening. maybe not this season but perhaps in the off season. id like to see him stay and for it to work with him and gay.

Both of them have ugly contracts, even uglier together, not sure what teams would offer for both. But I wanna see how Demar plays now with Gay. All the scouting reports were targeted at Demar since he was our #1 option, now that Gay came, I think Demar might have a little more freedom. Who knows, just speculating. But i'm hoping for the best

[gwrighter]

You're taking this debate in a completely different direction.

You seem to think that the strength of the Toronto Raptors brand and Canada's appetite for NBA basketball in general is inistricably linked to "more Canadians playing the game" when we've already had great Canadian players in the NBA with little to no increase in coverage.

Name me one other great Canadian NBA player other than Nash. Nash is a prime example of the impact a great player can have on basketball in Canada. People know Nash because of what he did in the olympics in 2000. You don't think a strong showing at the olympics won't raise interest in the sport in Canada? People love olympic heroes.

The fact is that Canadians on average just don't relate to basketball growing up and so they don't watch it over the NHL during primetime viewing periods. Even if Wiggins is the next Lebron, assuming that happens he'll likely be drafted to Seattle or some other abscure American market and although people will notice it won't be profound enough to sell the advertising over Hockey.

And why don't they relate to basketball? It's because they don't have anybody to relate to lol. Maybe when there are more Canadians in the NBA, they might have someone to relate to and thus have an incentive to actually follow the sport more intently and root for a team whom they patriotically feel linked to.

Going back to the Raptors, if they were to get Wiggins or a Vince Carter - esque showtime player who is primed for greatness, then perhaps you can validate the luxury spending. Ironically, I'm pretty certain we just ****ed ourselves out of Wiggins and any other quality player for that matter in 2014 so it really doesn't matter now.

There can be a multitude of reasons to validate Lux spending, it's different for every team & it's a choice that ownership is free to make for whatever reason they see fit. It's their money to spend after all. If they believe that stockpiling talent albeit not "elite" talent at a high price tag is worth it, then its their prerogative. If there are other revenue streams that support the spending then it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, no contract is immovable.

Luxury tax is toxic. It was designed by cheapskate owners in the league to repel the big market teams from even thinking about it. Not that I give a **** about the solvency of Bell or Rogers, they're the decrepid poster child of Canadian socialist tendancies that protect Canadian companies by letting them **** Canadian consumers in the ***. They're money hungry, monstrous monopolies that have had the game fixed for them and they're not about to hand the NBA free cash. No way in hell.

No it wasn't. It is a redistributive economic practice. It takes money from the "rich" and gives to the "poor". Those owners that want to overspend will still overspend and the owners unwilling to compete economically will be compensated for their inaction.

[koreancabbage]

We've heard this before. How much has that ever won anyone? Did it do any good for Bayless, Calderon, Davis, Parker, etc? They don't have to love the city, they need to fit with the team and contribute to a winning culture that attracts better players.

one step at a time mon ami. they need to rep the city to go hand in hand with the talent that they bring.

[smith&wesson]

how about for milsap instead.

lowry/lucas
ross/AA
gay/fields/kleiza
milsap/acy/amir
jonas/amir

i can dig it.

[Johann]

We've heard this before. How much has that ever won anyone? Did it do any good for Bayless, Calderon, Davis, Parker, etc? They don't have to love the city, they need to fit with the team and contribute to a winning culture that attracts better players.

But this time he meant it

[koreancabbage]

I actually want to see if Bargnani has changed. I think it would be good to have someone like Andrea who can lure his man out and make some room for Derozan and Gay. I think Gay would benefit from that and actually really thrive with more room in the paint. Gasol and Randolph do hog the paint a lot and I can see why Gay would take jumpers all day long.

I have a feeling that they play Bargnani, to raise some value, and see if someone is going to offer a decent package (and probably someone would be stupid in doing) for Bargs. If not, BC won't trade him.

[Tmath]

Bargnani and Val could be back in the lineup this weekend.

Bargnani went through Thursday’s full practice and Casey said he could be back as early as this weekend and Valanciunas’s return from a broken finger is just days away as well.

[gwrighter]

Bargnani and Val could be back in the lineup this weekend.

I'm interested to see how Bargs comes back lol.

[604/403/416]

Hi !

I have been on this site for a while. Finally decided to open an account. I just don't understand how you guys can bash that trade. I mean we finally got someone that can be the "franchise" yes, he isn't an allstas. yes, he is overpaid but who isn't on the raptors ? I am stoked! Funny how some of the posters wanted to get rid of cal and davis for nothing and now are saying that davis is the future blah blah blah I am happy! we needed this since bosh left.... TO is a big time city and I for one am tired of building thru the draft it doesn't get us anywhere ! 95-2013 how many playoff games have we won ? We need to trade for big time players since its soo obvious we can't sign one via FA. Hopefully this is the first piece and many more to come ! I am tired of "potential" ! How many winning teams build thru the draft ? thunder ? still haven't won anything and they were soo lucky! anyways my 2 cents Lets GO RAPTORS !

[Tmath]

I'm interested to see how Bargs comes back lol.

BC hinted that he will be likely be coming off the bench.

[aman_13]

Bargs is vital now because the Raps need someone to stretch the floor. If Bargs comes in and operates at the high post and plays as third or fourth option, he could be very effective.

[Tmath]

Hi !

I have been on this site for a while. Finally decided to open an account. I just don't understand how you guys can bash that trade. I mean we finally got someone that can be the "franchise" yes, he isn't an allstas. yes, he is overpaid but who isn't on the raptors ? I am stoked! Funny how some of the posters wanted to get rid of cal and davis for nothing and now are saying that davis is the future blah blah blah I am happy! we needed this since bosh left.... TO is a big time city and I for one am tired of building thru the draft it doesn't get us anywhere ! 95-2013 how many playoff games have we won ? We need to trade for big time players since its soo obvious we can't sign one via FA. Hopefully this is the first piece and many more to come ! I am tired of "potential" ! How many winning teams build thru the draft ? thunder ? still haven't won anything and they were soo lucky! anyways my 2 cents Lets GO RAPTORS !

Welcome.

I agree man. I think its ok to be in the lottery for a few years to gain assets so you can put yourself in position to make trades like this.

Toronto isn't in a place that attracts big free agents, its kind of like the Jays. They built up assets to later trade them for established talent, now they are in position to contend. I'm not saying the Raptors are there yet, but another trade could put them in the mix.