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    What is hilarious in all this, is that Scott Boras' bitterness and stubborness after Mark Appel fell to the Pirates, has resulted in decreased leverage for two of his clients. Appel and now Bourn. Boras is the reason the Mets have the 11th pick instead of the 10th.That decision will be looked at as one of the all-time bonehead moves. Boras definently doesn't win them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbers-king View Post
    What is hilarious in all this, is that Scott Boras' bitterness and stubborness after Mark Appel fell to the Pirates, has resulted in decreased leverage for two of his clients. Appel and now Bourn. Boras is the reason the Mets have the 11th pick instead of the 10th.That decision will be looked at as one of the all-time bonehead moves. Boras definently doesn't win them all.
    Remains to be seen on Appel. I'm sure GMs will go into the draft knowing exactly what it will take to sign Appel, and there is the possibility one team will mortgage their entire draft pool to sign him. I'm putting my money on the Yankees to do that. On the other hand, maybe no team will and you are right. I'm interested to see how this plays out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SILVER SEAVER View Post
    The Mets lost their ace Cy Yound winner from 2012 in Dickey, their lone outfielder with pop in Hairston not to mention Reyes the previous year so how is just adding Bourn to this lineup make them threats for a wild card? They need a whole lot more to even sniff what Washinton and Atlanta are cooking.

    Yes they do and they have to start somewhere. I'll paraphrase someone else on here who said 'Yes, you have to get over the summit, but you have to get to the summit first'.

    There's no point waiting any longer, we've lost more ground this very week to both teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Remains to be seen on Appel. I'm sure GMs will go into the draft knowing exactly what it will take to sign Appel, and there is the possibility one team will mortgage their entire draft pool to sign him. I'm putting my money on the Yankees to do that. On the other hand, maybe no team will and you are right. I'm interested to see how this plays out.

    You are C-R-A-Z-Y, CRAZY if you think a team will dump their entire draft pool to sign him when he has absolutely no leverage now. Where's he going? Indie? Japan? He'll be on his way to be the next Matt Harrington if he tries to play hardball with whoever drafts him.

    Not signing last year showed he cared more bout where he was going than with how much money he makes. There's no way your scenario plays out. He'll 100% guaranteed not get a penny more than slot and more than likely, he'll get low-balled big time with how the new rules work.
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    They are now considering giving Justin Turner and Zach Lutz time in the outfield.

    Yet the outfield is too crowded to offer Scott Hairston enough playing time? Riiiiiiight Sandy.

    Our "patience" has painted us into a corner, probably by design...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoicSentry View Post
    They are now considering giving Justin Turner and Zach Lutz time in the outfield.

    Yet the outfield is too crowded to offer Scott Hairston enough playing time? Riiiiiiight Sandy.

    Our "patience" has painted us into a corner, probably by design...
    You can't be serious. Seriously. Sure hope that's just a bit of Sandy's "humor."

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoicSentry View Post
    They are now considering giving Justin Turner and Zach Lutz time in the outfield.
    Quote Originally Posted by StoicSentry View Post

    Yet the outfield is too crowded to offer Scott Hairston enough playing time? Riiiiiiight Sandy.

    Our "patience" has painted us into a corner, probably by design...

    That was mooted at the end of the season, I remember guffawing at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnNY62 View Post
    You can't be serious. Seriously. Sure hope that's just a bit of Sandy's "humor."
    I believe this was what Collins said and not Alderson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbers-king View Post
    What is hilarious in all this, is that Scott Boras' bitterness and stubborness after Mark Appel fell to the Pirates, has resulted in decreased leverage for two of his clients. Appel and now Bourn. Boras is the reason the Mets have the 11th pick instead of the 10th.That decision will be looked at as one of the all-time bonehead moves. Boras definently doesn't win them all.
    Scott Boras may end up being the main figure on getting the rule changed, especially if he gets MLBPA involved.


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    MLB is not going to change that rule to appease Boras and the Mets. Boras doesn't have that much power. It's a crappy rule but leave it to the Mets to be the ones to be in this type of situation. Just keep the picks and build the farm up. Like I said, if he can be had for a year or two without giving up the first round then do it. There is really only Seattle, the Mets and the Texas who have a real need for Bourne at this point so Boras doesn't IMO have too much of a leg to stand on here.

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    I dont understand why Wilpons ahre kicking a hornets nets. To act like they are cheap scum? They have no intention of signing Bourn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metsbulls1025 View Post
    I believe this was what Collins said and not Alderson.
    True, it still stands though.

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    The one other positive that could come from not signing Bourn is the Mets might end up being bad enough to get a protected pick next year.

    I know that sounds cynical but the Mets aren't making the playoffs this year anyway. I guess it comes down to whether or not to some the extra wins are important on a 70 win team. I know they don't do much for me.

    They would then be able to keep 2 first rounders (which would help longer term development) and sign a Jacoby Ellsbury next year if they wanted to.

    There's also the possibility they somehow win that petition with the league and are able to keep the pick and get Bourn.

    Should be interesting to see what happens...

    Saying that, i would like Bourn if they can get him on a 3 year deal maybe 4 with an option even if it's at the expense of losing the 1st rounder.
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    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/...bfUDECUM1i2fxK

    Well, the great Flushing Bear yawned and growled ever so audibly yesterday, the Mets shaking off layers of sloth and slumber and landing in the transactions, signing Shaun Marcum to a one-year deal, becoming the 30th, and final, team to sign a major-league free agent this offseason.

    As hot stove moves go, this isn’t exactly a scalding cup of coffee, more a comforting cup of cocoa, but Marcum is a professional, proven, major league starter. He is 21 games over .500 across seven seasons and 149 big-league starts, he does have a 112 ERA+ for his career if you’re into advanced metrics, making him well above league-average in that category.

    (And, yes: he did miss about 13 starts last year with the Brewers because of elbow soreness; there’s a reason the pan was brewing, not boiling).

    So the Mets are, incrementally, better today than they were yesterday, they now have a five-man rotation in place with the assumption that if any of that quintet falters, Zack Wheeler will be waiting to parachute in from Triple-A Vegas

    And now there is talk, just about everywhere, that the Mets are possibly kicking the tires on Michael Bourn, who is the best-available outfielder left on the market, who is a terrific defender and a good lead-off man and a dependable hitter and would be a swell addition if not for a couple of discomfiting facts:

    1) He is 30 years old. And as the Mets famously spun things after declining to re-sign Jose Reyes, it’s a dangerous business to invest in a legs-player after age 30.

    2) He is represented by Scott Boras. He will not choose his next employer for the sheer love of the game.

    3) Right now, it looks like the Mets would have to forfeit the No. 11 pick in the draft next year if they do sign him. The Mets should have the 10th pick — and, therefore, top-10 protection against free-agent compensation — but the Pirates slipped one ahead of them after they failed to sign their first-round pick last year, Mark Appel (and, yes: if you are a Mets fan who believes the universe constantly conspires against you, this is the place to chime in).

    Those alone are compelling impediments.

    But this one might be the most damning of all, one Mets fans (understandably) don’t want to ponder during this blissful time when the team is still 0-0, one the front office probably isn’t excited about discussing as they wonder how in the world they’re going to fill seats at Citi Field this year:

    The Mets are a fourth-place team without Bourn. With him? They are a fourth-place team. They are probably five or six games better than the Marlins. They aren’t anywhere near the Nationals, Phillies or Braves, a point that Atlanta helpfully drove home yesterday by adding Justin Upton in a blockbuster seven-player deal.

    Now, that doesn’t mean general manager Sandy Alderson shouldn’t be looking to upgrade what is a skeletal, wafer-thin roster featuring an outfield that inspires him to Catskills stand-up whenever a microphone is near. Of course he should, and must.

    Still: the Mets live in a painful reality right now, owned by men who are still reeling from a vicious financial hit and show no intention of selling; strapped by a budget (and expiring contracts) that limit flexibility; ransacked by four straight years of losing. One smart thing they did commit to, in hiring Alderson, was buying into his notion a smart, sturdy foundation, trying to own the future.

    It is a plan worth holding on to, worth going all-in on, in fact, even if they choose to pursue an appeal to keep that 11th pick safe from compensation (a possibility baseball people seem decidedly mixed on). Bourn is a valuable asset for a contending team.

    But it is telling that two of the teams he has played for share the NL East with the Mets. One, Atlanta, was unwilling to give him more than a qualifying offer. The other, Philadelphia, was strapped for outfielders yet willing to sign noted sociologist Delmon Young rather than bring Bourn back.

    The Mets should know better than anyone there’s a difference between best and best available. Call it the Jason Bay Corollary. If 2013 is destined to be another season of medicine, why spring for extra sugar to chase it all down? Are 72 wins that much more valuable than 67?
    That ending paragraph was the most interesting to me besides his points about Bourn.

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