I'd trade 2 firsts + MAB/McGinn + Gus for Subban. No reason not to at this point -- he's only 23 and its not like we're professionals at drafting defensemen. Even if we have to pay PK $4.5M per season, it's still a bargain.
With his shot from the point and Giroux managing the PP, we'd have a great unit for years to come. Not to mention that PK's ability to get up and down the rink with the puck would be a boon to our struggling offense. And his attitude would fit right in...
I'm surprised they don't have to give up Carey Price, too!
Look, guys, I love Couturier, but Jesus Christ, take off the ****ing homer glasses. PK Subban is an established player who's a hell of a lot closer to his ceiling than Sean Couturier is right now. His trade value, with the RFA issue or not, is more than Couturier by himself, let alone giving us picks to take their "problem" off their hands.
Last edited by 1908_Cubs; 01-25-2013 at 08:09 PM.
Guys, this is a situation where we're likely not getting Subban without Couts and Schenn and I think this team is very steadfast on not trading those guys. Subban just ain' happenin. I wish he was. But there are 28 other NHL teams. Someone would blow that deal out of the damn water.
Last edited by 1908_Cubs; 01-25-2013 at 08:10 PM.
I would rather just wait for gus to get better and just finish out the 1/2 a season and then make your moves for a top d-man & a legit scorer and make a run for the cup next season this way we keep the young talent we have and a top 1st round pick we should earn this season.I dont think we are good enough to go anywhere this season anyway even if we get Subban and he isnt worth loosing the young talent and picks just so maybe we make the playoffs ,we are not going deep into the playoffs anyway.I say just sit tight with what we have and concentrate on next season to make a real run.
Too many folks are way over valuing him. He's got NHL upside but he's probably never going to be more valuable than, say, a low end #3 or high end #4 type d-man. The body isn't there and he's not elite offensively, like say, a Kimo Timmonen was.
I am with Cubs. Any conversation regarding Subban has to start with Couts or Schenn or Montreal hangs up the phone. You think we can back the Habs into the corner? Let's not forget that Homer went to the extent of threatening Nashville's financial future to get Weber. In the end he wouldn't move Couts or Schenn for the best defenseman in the game. Nashville pretty much chose to overpay to keep their stud. In the end Montreal will do the same.
I think we should place a pretty good, multi-yeared offer sheet for him at the least. We just lost Mez for a month and we need to pull the trigger on some sort of defenseman...
Kimo, schenn, coburn, grossman, lilja, gervais is not going to get it done in our division. Bryz is playing pretty good, and if it wasn't for some bad calls and bounces off our own skates, we could easily be 3-1 instead of 1-3. With Mez out and Hartnell down (see what I did there?) it will be tough for the next month or two...We need another high level dman and one more premier player to put us over the top for the cup...or is that the alcohol talking?
I would love to have Subban though.
Gus has this "it" factor that you can only understand if you've played hockey. Cause when you're on that ice, and you go into a corner to get the puck, and you know Brian Boyle is directly behind you and hes gonna nail you, most guys (MAB) will panic. They'll just race for the puck and wack it when they get there without even thinking. The fear prevents them from thinking. The good players (you can see Giroux and Couturier do it every night) can still think when feeling fear of that hit, and its like they always observe their surroundings so when that moment comes, they have a radar image in their head of who is open and where, and they make a solid pass. Its the one thing that all great hockey players have to have, you cant teach it. And where I am getting at, is Gus has that (and he's a little guy, so thats saying something). It sucks that he's hurt because this might be his last chance to learn from Timonen how to play physcial defense even when severely undersized.
so I think Gus is the real deal, BUT, probably will just be a #3/#4 his whole career because of his size.
I dont think it has to be Couturier or Schenn like others, I think a package with Voracek could get it done as well. But I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think our defense is fine You have all the physicality you could want. Thats what you HAVE to have in defense to win, guys who will move player out of your crease and off the puck. Do you have a fast defensemen who can skate the puck from net to net? no, thats a luxury, not a necessity. I dont get the argument of "they're slow", they're defensemen. Whens the last time someone judged the speed of Chara, Pronger, Stevens etc? Defensemen are traditionally supposed to be big and slow, they just put themselves in the right position where they dont need speed.
The best defense is a good offense.
Last edited by Randall Stevens; 01-26-2013 at 09:02 AM.
we lost pronger, who was our top end D-man talent ... when i think of PK ... i think #3 D man and power play point man with a good shot ....
but PK does not solve this teams problem or put them over the top, so i'd pass ...
the only package that i trade couturier in - is for a Shea Weber
i would consider trading both Schenn brothers to Montreal for like Galchenyuk and PK ...
i value PK more than L. Schenn and i think Galchenyuk and Schenn would be a wash ... but i like having a future team USA player on our team
how BAD does Toronto look right now with that Phil Kessel trade for Dougie Hamilton and Seguin ... Boston is my cup pick this year
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Dont think Flyers would trade Couturier for Subban. Too much upside. BSchenn? Complicated by Luke and not enough for MTL
Why don't we write this season off, especially after Mez and Harts injuries, draft Seth Jones first overall, dump any aging players with expiring contracts or use amnesty buyouts/trades to unload them for prospects or picks, we then use these picks then to package for some great D or sign decent FA D who along with Jones and the dynamic forwards we have will make us a powerhouse for years to come?
Oh in a perfect world...