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    Based on this -- doesn't seem to me that he would have been a good choice to whom to offer a two-year deal. A one-year flyer? Sure.

    Why the Brewers are shunning Shaun Marcum
    By Jaymes Langrehr on December 13, 2012

    On Wednesday, free agent pitcher Shaun Marcum told XM radio that he’d be interested in returning to the Brewers. On the surface, this seems perfect. Marcum wants to come back, and the Brewers need to fill some holes in the starting rotation (one of which was created when Marcum filed for free agency).

    There’s only one problem, though: the Brewers have all but said they don’t want him back.

    Thursday morning, Doug Melvin told Tom Haudricourt that he hasn’t spoken to Marcum’s agent, and made it sound like he has no plans to do so:

    “We haven’t talked to his agent (Rex Gary),” said Melvin. ‘It’s nice to know he’d consider (returning) but we haven’t talked about it. With most free agents, we give them the chance to go out and test the market.

    “We like Shaun; he pitched well for us. But I always thought he’d engage in talks with a team and get something worked out, and he probably will.”

    “Things change but it wasn’t on our radar (to talk to Marcum about returning),” said Melvin.

    So here the Brewers are, staring at the possibility of fielding a rotation of Yovani Gallardo and four largely unproven youngsters, showing no interest in a pitcher that provided 325 innings of 3.60 ERA, 2.72 K/BB ball. If the lack of interest isn’t rooted in performance, the next best guess would be there’s something in Marcum’s medicals that has the Brewers completely spooked.

    Marcum missed a large portion of the 2012 season with elbow tightness, and while he returned in late-August, he wasn’t nearly as effective as he was before the flare-up. Not only did his pitches lack the movement they had, but his velocity dipped, as well:

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    Add in the fact that 2012 was the second year in a row the Brewers saw Marcum fade late in the season (the first time may have cost the Brewers a National League pennant), and it’d be understandable if Melvin & Co. didn’t want to put themselves through that again.

    The Brewers have one of the best medical staffs in baseball — Milwaukee players have spent the second-fewest days on the disabled list in the past decade — and even they weren’t able to keep Marcum on the field consistently. That should probably be a red flag to any team interested in signing Marcum this winter.

    When the Brewers held their 9th annual medical symposium about a month ago, buried among all the praise for the Brewers from around the game was this nugget (h/t BadgerNoonan):

    Beyond empirical data and analyses, Caplinger has gathered anecdotal evidence that Tommy John reconstructive elbow surgery has a shelf life of six to eight years. That was true for two former Brewers pitchers, Chris Capuano and Randy Wolf, who had their elbows blow out a second time within that time frame.
    This is something that could go a long way in explaining the Brewers’ lack of interest in bringing Marcum back.

    Marcum blew out his elbow in September 2008, and missed the 2009 season rehabbing from Tommy John surgery. Six years removed from the surgery would be the 2014 season…the second year in any multi-year deal offered to the right-hander. The fact that he’s struggled with shoulder stiffness and elbow soreness in the two years is another red flag.

    If you believe the Brewers’ research — and at this point, they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt — Marcum is a ticking timebomb, and a risk they’ve been unwilling to take.
    http://disciplesofuecker.com/brewers...un-marcum/7449
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    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Is this a sign that the team is finally headed in the right direction again?

    It could be, enough with austerity, enough with stand patting, we have been down that road as far as we can go. It is time to start improving this teams chance to win baseball games - NOW.

    They have cleared contracts out barring one year of JS, no need to wait any longer. Let's improve this team, throw in some good vets with our stud prospects and see if we can't become relevant much quicker. The rebuild plan as argued for on here was going far too slow. We gave our franchise player $138M, who wants to waste $40M at least of that waiting for everyone to develop? I don't.

    Now go get Bourn and a couple of BP arms, and let's see what we can do.
    This is the most positive post I've seen from McFly

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    I hate this.

    I was really hoping for an entire winter without a free agent signing. Now I have nothing to root for.
    Go Grab My Belt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    I am fair, always have been...
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Love the deal.

    If we can sign a legit major league OFer, this turns into a rock solid offseason all of a sudden.
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    noah is gonna be a beast man.

    with him and harvey, its like were gonna have Goku and Vegetta in the same rotation

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    Sandy isn't stupid. He's knows this, in fact his medical problems are probably the reason why he signed him. Wheeler will take the place of the first pitcher to get hurt mid-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    At least Wheeler won't be rushed now.
    True...

    I like Marcum, my only problem was giving him 1 year.

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    Now that Hairston is gone, we gotta sign Bourn. I read that the Mets are trying to get their first rounder protected on AmazinAvenue. Idk how they can do that, but we'll see. If we sign Bourn and then someone like Durbin, I'd be pretty happy with that offseason

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    True...

    I like Marcum, my only problem was giving him 1 year.
    They can flip him at the deadline if we suck.

    Baring health, I can see Marcum having a career year pitching in a pitcher's park for the first time in his career. He is a fly-ball pitcher that pitched in Milwaukee and Toronto.

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    It would be a good signing if he could just stay healthy. Marcum's lifetime ERA is under 4.00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    They can flip him at the deadline if we suck.

    Baring health, I can see Marcum having a career year pitching in a pitcher's park for the first time in his career. He is a fly-ball pitcher that pitched in Milwaukee and Toronto.
    Well there in lies the problem and why i hoped they gave him multiple years.

    If he pitches very well this season, he's gonna want 3-4 years and i am not sure the Mets will give it to him.

    This is a re-establish value for next offseason contract for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Well there in lies the problem and why i hoped they gave him multiple years.

    If he pitches very well this season, he's gonna want 3-4 years and i am not sure the Mets will give it to him.

    This is a re-establish value for next offseason contract for him.
    How is that a problem? If he has a ~3.50 ERA or so at the deadline, the Mets can get a nice package.

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    Marcum is looking to build up value for next off-season. The Mets have a need for a pitcher and Citi has a park factor that favors pitching. It was a smart move by Marcum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    How is that a problem? If he has a ~3.50 ERA or so at the deadline, the Mets can get a nice package.
    Well that's the only upside to not giving him 2 years.
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    I don't think it is a terrible signing. The only problem I see is that he really doesn't pitch a ton of innings. He goes about 6 a start. Makes me a bit nervous with the bullpen

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