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    I'm not worried about the home/away splits. People once were saying the same thing about Matt Holliday and he turned out alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSox_05 View Post
    Prado's WAR weighted heavy on his defense because he plays multiple positions well. So that can be thrown out. Upton is younger and is way better offensively than Prado. Prado has only had an OPS over .800 twice, Upton's career OPS is .832. Don't get me wrong Prado is a nice player, but don't try to compare them, Upton is by far the more superior player.
    Upton has also spent his entire career in a hitters paradise.

    Let's look at the last three years

    J. Upton - .281/.361/.469 - .359 wOBA, 120 wRC+, 11.9 fWAR
    M. Prado - .290/.339/.428 - .335 wOBA, 108 wRC+, 11.8 fWAR

    And you can't throw out defense because you don't like the argument. Prado is elite defensively, and is so at multiple positions. He could be an everyday shortstop.


    Total net runs over the last three seasons:

    Prado
    320 RC
    9.6 BSR
    19 DRS
    +3 Positional adjustment
    = 351.6 Net total runs last three seasons

    Upton
    374 RC
    10.7 BSR
    16 DRS
    +2.5 Positional adjustment
    = 401.2 total net runs in 3 seasons

    Pretty close to the same number of PA


    These guys are closer than one would assume. You have to believe that Upton will improve moving forward because of his age. But if he repeats his 2012, nevermind. I'd rather have Prado.

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    You know some sports mag gonna have the Uptons on the cover in the coming weeks/months

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgsports View Post
    Kubel/Corbin/others to Mariners fro Carp/Walker/Franklin?
    This Trade isn't going to make Jones come out of Retirement because you still have to pay him know maybe wait intill end of August and Braves are in 1st place then he might think about it.
    Huh?

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    we pretty much traded contact for power, i mean we have 7 guys that could easily hit 20 homeruns this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    His career numbers away from Chase Field..

    .250 BA, .731 OPS, .320 wOBA, 96 wRC+, .310 BABIP..

    Not impressive at all.
    Everyone knows ur mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HickCaesar View Post
    I'm not worried about the home/away splits. People once were saying the same thing about Matt Holliday and he turned out alright.
    Matt Holliday road numbers from 04-08
    .348 wOBA, 108 wRC+
    .280/.348/.455

    Justin Upton
    .320 wOBA, 96 wRC+
    .255/.325/.406

    And Rockies hitters as a whole do far worse on the road than any other franchise of all time. It's a larger adjustment because the ball has different flight, even just on pitches.

    Basically....Rockies hitters at home are the best of all time, and Rockies hitters on the road are the worst of all time. So the fact that Holliday had a .350 wOBA on the road which was the 5th best for a Rockie all time, says he was never bad on the road at all.

    Upton is in fact, rather bad on the road.

    He is, overall, just barely above league average as a road hitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Upton has also spent his entire career in a hitters paradise.

    Let's look at the last three years

    J. Upton - .281/.361/.469 - .359 wOBA, 120 wRC+, 11.9 fWAR
    M. Prado - .290/.339/.428 - .335 wOBA, 108 wRC+, 11.8 fWAR

    And you can't throw out defense because you don't like the argument. Prado is elite defensively, and is so at multiple positions. He could be an everyday shortstop.


    Total net runs over the last three seasons:

    Prado
    320 RC
    9.6 BSR
    19 DRS
    +3 Positional adjustment
    = 351.6 Net total runs last three seasons

    Upton
    374 RC
    10.7 BSR
    16 DRS
    +2.5 Positional adjustment
    = 401.2 total net runs in 3 seasons

    Pretty close to the same number of PA


    These guys are closer than one would assume. You have to believe that Upton will improve moving forward because of his age. But if he repeats his 2012, nevermind. I'd rather have Prado.
    Come on man. We all know you love to go against conventional wisdom for the sake of being different. But there's no way you actually believe this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iam brett favre View Post
    Come on man. We all know you love to go against conventional wisdom for the sake of being different. But there's no way you actually believe this.
    What's there to believe?

    I posted the numbers. Are you asking if I believe in the numbers? Because they are relevant to the discussion in every way.

    Upton is way more athletic and gifted. But Prado is a true baseball player. Production is production, and Prado who will make less this year has produced basically what Upton has produced.

    It's 3 years for 1 year of Prado so it's not even. But people have a lot of love for Upton because of his former performances and being a former first overall pick, and his ability to hit the ball 460 feet. Prado does the little things, and they add up.

    Yes, they aren't far from equivalent in value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    What's there to believe?

    I posted the numbers. Are you asking if I believe in the numbers? Because they are relevant to the discussion in every way.

    Upton is way more athletic and gifted. But Prado is a true baseball player. Production is production, and Prado who will make less this year has produced basically what Upton has produced.

    It's 3 years for 1 year of Prado so it's not even. But people have a lot of love for Upton because of his former performances and being a former first overall pick, and his ability to hit the ball 460 feet. Prado does the little things, and they add up.

    Yes, they aren't far from equivalent in value.
    I like Prado a lot. But you said you'd take Prado over Upton...please tell me I misread that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iam brett favre View Post
    I like Prado a lot. But you said you'd take Prado over Upton...please tell me I misread that.
    I said I would take Prado if Upton repeats his 2012, and I and everyone else should and would.

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    Braves OF is filthy. Upton, Upton and Heyward. Damn.

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    Still betting that the Braves 2012 outfield will be better than their 2013.

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    Are the Braves now the faves in the east or Nats still?

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    Quote Originally Posted by popo85 View Post
    Are the Braves now the faves in the east or Nats still?
    Nats for me

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