Game #40: New York Knicks (25-14) @ Boston Celtics (20-21)

[Jesse2272]

Without Felton... Everyone really does play out of their comfort zone. Looks like we all now understand how important the chucking Felton is for this team. Maybe he should take the next two months off to see more people panic... Lol its great I tell you

Weezy F Baby

[D-Leethal]

No he wasn't, he's been pretty bad for a while now... 36% for Jan, 39% for Dec. in the last MONTH he's had ONE game where he shot 50%...

And really dude? I've been posting here for years through thick and thin, been a Knick fan since I was 12... i'm 29 now.

Get outta here with that bandwagon BS, and no Knick fan is "spoiled" after the decade we just had.

NYC is as real a fan as it gets. Probably the most unbiased dude on this forum too. I pick his posts because I enjoy debating with him, I would say the only thing I really ever disagree with him on is the more efficient = better offensive player stuff that gets implied way too often on PSD.

I will say one thing though, Amare is a guy who needs his teammates to constantly look for him, and find him open, and get him open. Theres a difference between guys like that and guys who create for themselves and others. Finishers SHOULD be more efficient. I also think if Amare gets close to 15 FGA, thats going to put so much emphasis on trying to get him the ball, everyone else would struggle to find a rhythm. Its like trying to forcefeed Tyson 10 shots.

I mean how many pick and rolls do you think you run before actually finding the guy for a quality attempt? I'd say about 3-5 get ran before the guy gets a quality shot attempt against your average defensive team. We pretty much start each possession with pick and rolls before going to iso.

Bottom line what I'm trying to say here, its not easy to get a guy like STAT a quality shot because he can't get off a quality shot unless hes open with space. Thats just as much a reason as any why he doesn't get a ton of attempts. If you make a point to get him 15 shots, your going to be running a ton of empty pick and roll trying to do so, and your gonna end up with JR and Melo chucks late in the clock anyway and a lot of STAT turnovers in forced 1 on 1 face up situations. With Melo and JR, at the very least, you know they can get a clean look at the rim whenever you need one. Theres a reason they always end up with the ball in those scenarios.

STATs going to beast on the offensive glass if he wants to get 12-15 FGA. I do think he should get some more, mostly catch and shoot jumpers because I feel thats probably the best bet to get him more looks without ruining the flow of this offense.

[Xait]

NYC is as real a fan as it gets. Probably the most unbiased dude on this forum too. I pick his posts because I enjoy debating with him, I would say the only thing I really ever disagree with him on is the more efficient = better offensive player stuff that gets implied way too often on PSD.

I will say one thing though, Amare is a guy who needs his teammates to constantly look for him, and find him open, and get him open. Theres a difference between guys like that and guys who create for themselves and others. Finishers SHOULD be more efficient. I also think if Amare gets close to 15 FGA, thats going to put so much emphasis on trying to get him the ball, everyone else would struggle to find a rhythm. Its like trying to forcefeed Tyson 10 shots.

I mean how many pick and rolls do you think you run before actually finding the guy for a quality attempt? I'd say about 3-5 get ran before the guy gets a quality shot attempt against your average defensive team. We pretty much start each possession with pick and rolls before going to iso.

Bottom line what I'm trying to say here, its not easy to get a guy like STAT a quality shot because he can't get off a quality shot unless hes open with space. Thats just as much a reason as any why he doesn't get a ton of attempts. If you make a point to get him 15 shots, your going to be running a ton of empty pick and roll trying to do so, and your gonna end up with JR and Melo chucks late in the clock anyway and a lot of STAT turnovers in forced 1 on 1 face up situations. With Melo and JR, at the very least, you know they can get a clean look at the rim whenever you need one. Theres a reason they always end up with the ball in those scenarios.

STATs going to beast on the offensive glass if he wants to get 12-15 FGA. I do think he should get some more, mostly catch and shoot jumpers because I feel thats probably the best bet to get him more looks without ruining the flow of this offense.

Everything you said makes sense to me with the "no post moves" Amare.
But i'm kind of impressed with his new moves. I didn't expect so much improvement.

Sometimes i feel we have moments that we are thriving with him in the post and we just stop doing that without explanation.

[Anji]

Celtics are mad, the are beating up on the hawks in ATL.

[AI4]

They are actually tied with Atlanta.

[SluggeR]

STAT & Melo just need a bonafide pg, which we have in Felton. Chandler needs to get out the paint when STAT is in the game and get his (Chandler) points on oops & put-backs..

[Weezy]

They are actually tied with Atlanta.

Boston was up 27 against em and blew it.

[nycericanguy]

NYC is as real a fan as it gets. Probably the most unbiased dude on this forum too. I pick his posts because I enjoy debating with him, I would say the only thing I really ever disagree with him on is the more efficient = better offensive player stuff that gets implied way too often on PSD.

I will say one thing though, Amare is a guy who needs his teammates to constantly look for him, and find him open, and get him open. Theres a difference between guys like that and guys who create for themselves and others. Finishers SHOULD be more efficient. I also think if Amare gets close to 15 FGA, thats going to put so much emphasis on trying to get him the ball, everyone else would struggle to find a rhythm. Its like trying to forcefeed Tyson 10 shots.

I mean how many pick and rolls do you think you run before actually finding the guy for a quality attempt? I'd say about 3-5 get ran before the guy gets a quality shot attempt against your average defensive team. We pretty much start each possession with pick and rolls before going to iso.

Bottom line what I'm trying to say here, its not easy to get a guy like STAT a quality shot because he can't get off a quality shot unless hes open with space. Thats just as much a reason as any why he doesn't get a ton of attempts. If you make a point to get him 15 shots, your going to be running a ton of empty pick and roll trying to do so, and your gonna end up with JR and Melo chucks late in the clock anyway and a lot of STAT turnovers in forced 1 on 1 face up situations. With Melo and JR, at the very least, you know they can get a clean look at the rim whenever you need one. Theres a reason they always end up with the ball in those scenarios.

STATs going to beast on the offensive glass if he wants to get 12-15 FGA. I do think he should get some more, mostly catch and shoot jumpers because I feel thats probably the best bet to get him more looks without ruining the flow of this offense.

Thanks for showing love...

as far as the efficient thing...well right now who would you say the top 4 teams are? I think we can all agree its

OKC
MIA
LAC
SAS

Is it a coincidence that those are also the top 4 shooting teams all shooting 47-49%? I don't think so. You're not going to win many games against great teams with guys like JR going 2-15 or shooting in the 30's.

Right now we are 18th in the NBA in fg% at 44%... now i'll give us a break and say we should be closer to 45% because we shoot more 3's than anyone so that affects our overall fg%... but still I don't think we can win a chip with our 3 leading scorers being JR, Melo & Felton all shooting 40,39 & 45%. Because even Melo cannot sniff Lebron, Wade or Durant or even Parker when it comes to efficient scoring.

That's why I think we need Amare to be that 18ppg efficient scorer... when Amare is on, he will rarely have a game where he shoots under 50%...

we just need a lil more discipline... hopefully Shump has developed a shot and can take some minutes away from JR... because JR shouldn't be playing more than 25mpg with his style of play if he's off.

[Missing56&33]

The game, my take:

STAT played very well, the fouls I thought a couple were a joke which made his minutes go down.

Melo, anyone blaming STAT is loco.........he missed two easy layups, and elbow shots that when in and out, nothing to do with STAT. He took two end of clock shots that really don't matter so he came back to help us win and played really great down the stretch like a star should.
Melo having to be point is not his strong suit and his game will change with Felton back.

JR, his shot selection is back to last yr's playoffs and needs to get back to early this yr. Felton will help here.

Chandler- vanish first half once again...........steps up in the second half once again, needs much more production to help us out early on.

Novak..............oh where oh where did your shot go, where are where did it go????

KT, Please never ever touch the court again, your done, finished, the end..........I was all for you from your play last yr but oh how a yr makes a difference in your case. Get K-Mart

Pablo still not impressing me, and we need a back up pg.....

Kidd, great in his role for off guard and hit open threes, welcome back Ray.

Iman, great first half, I'll say tired legs in the second half.

Agreed....Novak needs to be traded to the highest bidder.....Melo must make easy layups...Tyson must learn how to play with Amar'e.

JR is who he is....we can live with that....he has no conscience....but he's much better than last year.

Felt should space the floor now that he's back.