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    [QUOTE=John Walls Era;25196830]It would not surprise me if they won. Winning in the court of law is obviously a subjective term. NFL might just do an out of court settlement even if they don't deserve it.[/Q

    They would never do that because it would open a can of worms and everyone would try and get money from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sep11ie View Post
    Then everybody he ever tackled and gave a headache to should sue the Seau family.
    this^^

    dumb. why stop at the NFL. Why not sue the NCAA or even the local Peewee League he played for. He and his family were not complaining about his fame and fortune he was getting while playing. Also, he was not the 1st ever player to suffer a concussion from the NFL or the first to kill himself from the NFL. So, he and they knew what he was doing.

    Even the neuro-specialists did not have a complete understanding of brain injuries like they do now. So, how can the NFL know anymore.

    accountability people. take responsibility for your actions. If I decide to go snowboarding and do some trick and land on my head and cause a concussion, should I sue the ski resort for building the jump or not making the snow soft enough for me to avoid injury?!?!!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Walls Era View Post
    It would not surprise me if they won. Winning in the court of law is obviously a subjective term. NFL might just do an out of court settlement even if they don't deserve it.
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    The NFL and the owners made a ton of money off Seau et al. So there are a couple of things to consider: 1) Was he adequately compensated for the inherent risk associated with the sport, and 2) Did the league do their due diligence in protecting the athletes from these risks. You would have a hard time convincing me that the answer to both questions was not yes. Frivolous lawsuit. Dismissed.
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    Why am I not surprised?

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    Everybody knows the charges by the players are BS, but the end result is good for football. This is this is the worst set of owners we ever had, and taking away their profits is the best way to make them disappear.

    Who cares if the suits are frivolous? Certainly the courts don't. These owners have been screwing up ever since their dad's told them, "Son, here's a football team, you can extort money from cities with it."

    The ad money will still be there, the players and coaches will still be there, and most importantly, the game, after a few rule rollbacks, will be better than ever. Have the NFL declare bankruptcy and let the league be administered by the courts for awhile. They can't do any worse than the current owners.

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    What a joke, he could have quit at anytime but gladly accepted millions. If you play football you could get seriously injured or even killed.. Knowing this if you decide to play you cannot go back and sue, this would be like every person that has been killed in military action should have their family sue the government, no you signed up for this!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Game_Over View Post
    What a joke, he could have quit at anytime but gladly accepted millions. If you play football you could get seriously injured or even killed.. Knowing this if you decide to play you cannot go back and sue, this would be like every person that has been killed in military action should have their family sue the government, no you signed up for this!!!
    I offer you a job, and tell you in advance it is risky and you could hurt your limbs, blow out a knee or break fingers. Then you fatally injure your brain. I didn't mention long-term brain damage as a possible risk, and maybe I didn't know about it. If I did know about it, but didn't tell you, is that wrong?

    This suit is about whether or not the NFL knew or should have known about the risk of long-term brain damage before players were told about that risk. If so, players did not consent to the unknown (to them) risk of long-term brain injury, and those who put them at risk may be liable.
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    The NFL will win quite easily. There's warnings all over the place and have been for at least 10 years now. Even the stickers on the helmet warn you that you can still get injured.

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    Maybe he should have stuck to flag football.....then again they could sue for carpal tunnel syndrome from grabbing flags. This is a no win situation but it is giving me ideas ....I might sue my employer for my drinking and smoking due to stress.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seguin View Post
    The NFL will win quite easily. There's warnings all over the place and have been for at least 10 years now. Even the stickers on the helmet warn you that you can still get injured.
    Seau was drafted in 1990 as the 5th overall pick. He had been in the NFL for 13 years by the time the last 10 years rolled around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncogixxer View Post
    Maybe he should have stuck to flag football.....then again they could sue for carpal tunnel syndrome from grabbing flags. This is a no win situation but it is giving me ideas ....I might sue my employer for my drinking and smoking due to stress.lol
    If your employer knows your job will kill you by a means you cannot detect, do they have a duty to tell you that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 34_for_life View Post
    The NFL and the owners made a ton of money off Seau et al. So there are a couple of things to consider: 1) Was he adequately compensated for the inherent risk associated with the sport, and 2) Did the league do their due diligence in protecting the athletes from these risks. You would have a hard time convincing me that the answer to both questions was not yes. Frivolous lawsuit. Dismissed.
    any time you agree to play a violent sport, you are adequately compensated. you guys act like he played against his will. we've always known its a violent game, and he willing decided to play. its sad what happened to him, but he's just as much repsosnible as anyone or anything else
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98 View Post
    The NFL is in a precarious position and football as we know it could change dramatically without warning.


    People need to educate themselves.


    http://www.northjersey.com/closter/F...abilities.html

    The desperate prayer often escapes Wesley Walker’s lips in the dead of night.

    When the pain grows intolerable, he sits alone in the dark watching movies, passing the sleepless hours that plague him almost daily.

    “I’ve sat in bed, praying ‘Jesus, God, would you make the pain go away?’ ” said the 57-year-old Walker. “I just don’t want to go through this anymore. I would give anything just for a day not to have this happen.”

    The former Jets Pro Bowl receiver has been unable to feel his feet for 25 years and suffers from “constant, wrenching” pain running up his arms and deep inside his hands — which now shake — caused by nerve damage.

    This is life for Walker, and many of his former colleagues. While tens of millions of fans are focused on Sunday’s Super Bowl, Jets and Giants once at the center of attention deal quietly with illnesses such as Walker’s.

    Several of the Jets and Giants and their families are among the more than 4,000 former players and families who have accused the National Football League of concealing research linking head trauma to permanent brain injury, spawning a series of lawsuits. While the NFL has embarked on a number of measures in the last three years to address concerns, it has consistently refused to comment on the suits since consolidated in federal court.

    Some stories are well known, especially those of players like Junior Seau who committed suicide after their careers ended. But most fans are unaware what’s befallen Walker, Bruce Harper and other local stars after they limped out of the spotlight.

    Harper’s wife, Nancy, is afraid to leave the former Jet — widely known for his work with Bergen County young people — alone given his serious brain and heart issues. The ex-Giant lineman Brad Benson had emergency spinal surgery in September when he could no longer feel much of his right leg.

    And Leonard Marshall, a former Giants and Jets defensive end, suffers from mood swings, fogginess and short-term memory loss. Only 51, he is convinced he’s suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, a degenerative brain disease linked to repetitive head trauma.

    Those players knew football was a brutal sport when they signed up on their own volition. But players not suing the league, such as Walker, join Harper and Marshall — who are involved in the lawsuit — in contending that the league needs to do more to help.

    The NFL has instituted a strict return-to-play protocol for concussions and an education campaign including TV commercials and posters in locker rooms demonstrating proper tackling technique. It also has introduced new penalties to protect players’ heads.

    In September, the league pledged $30 million to the Foundation for the National Institutes of Health to fund research. And it established the NFL Player Care Foundation in 2007, providing health screenings and other medical services.

    But critics say those measures do not do enough to assist the players who came before, who are suffering now.

    “These guys need help. And they’re asking for help,” said Taylor Walker, Wesley’s daughter and a former New Jersey Nets dancer.

    Harper doesn’t know how much time he has left.

    The Englewood native and Closter resident, who copes with near-constant headaches, worries that the suit will still be going on after he dies.

    “Right now, even thinking about [concussions], I could just cry,” said Harper, a Jets receiver, back and returner from 1977 to 1984. “I’m not kidding you. I could cry right now very, very easily....

    “And the sad thing is, I think they’re just going to string this out until most of us die. In my health, I’m not going to live long.”

    Harper and Walker are hardly alone.

    Benson underwent a three-level fusion in his lower back that lasted 13½ hours and included the insertion of 12 rods. Doctors feared the numbness and nerve damage would become permanent if they did not operate immediately.

    “Before this technology that they have today? I’d be in a wheelchair,” said Benson, a Giants left tackle from 1978 to 1987. He’s now well known for his unique radio commercials advertising his car dealership in Central Jersey.

    Benson, 57, previously had both hips replaced and spinal fusion surgery on his neck after parts of both hands went numb. He has regained all feeling.

    Former left tackle Roman Oben endured 11 surgeries during his 12-year career with four teams, including the Giants. He endured nine on his knees (one was a microfracture) and two reconstructive procedures on his left foot. Only 40 years old, he has “chronic pain.”

    “It’s the story of football,” said Oben, who retired in 2007. He works as a broadcaster and serves as vice president of the New York/New Jersey chapter of the NFL Alumni Association. “It ages you 15 to 20 years, so I’m probably 40 going on 60 physically.”

    For Marshall, it’s his brain that’s worrisome. He has bouts of fogginess, where his train of thought becomes cloudy, and headaches that throb from temple to temple. He also has short-term memory issues and mood swings that send him on a “roller-coaster ride.”

    Marshall, a former Pro Bowler who had most of his 83½ career sacks with the Giants, said he lives with it every day.

    “One minute I’m crying,” he said. “The next minute I’m all emotional....

    “I know that I’m not myself. I’m not the kid that came into this. And this is not what I signed up for. Had I known this [would happen], I probably would have said, ‘The fame and fortune might not be worth it.’


    He compares his symptoms with those of his friend and onetime teammate Dave Duerson before the former Chicago Bear and Giant shot himself in the chest in 2011. Duerson, 50, had asked that his brain be studied to explain why he suffered from neurological issues in the final years of his life. CTE was discovered.

    “Everything he went through, I’ve gone through,” said Marshall, who also has four ruptured disks in his neck and lower spine issues and recently suffered kidney failure.

    “It’s very frightening because he couldn’t get answers to the same questions I have.”

    Medical documents related to the retired players’ illnesses are confidential because of federal privacy laws. Walker says he has “closets full” of his medical reports. Marshall says his own files stretch over 1,400 pages.

    The narrative former players and their lawyers portray is simple: They were asked to perform to the limit of their extraordinary physical abilities, sacrificing their bodies — and, unwittingly, their minds.

    Their suffering often is silent, heard only by wives, children and former teammates — the only support networks many have. They often require constant care and are drowning in medical bills.

    One recurring symptom that players talk about is depression.

    “These guys are getting bare-bones benefits,” Barbara Comerford said of players out of the NFL for 15 years or more. Comerford is a disability attorney based in Midland Park who represents “several” former players.

    “I get calls from ministers about these guys.” she said. “I get calls from spouses. I get calls from siblings because the spouses are gone.”

    Nancy Harper isn’t going anywhere.

    But Bruce Harper’s wife of almost 28 years cannot fix everything — or be there every minute. She wishes she were.

    Harper, 57, has a pacemaker to regulate a bad heart after it stopped in 1991 and he had to be revived. He suffered a mini-stroke last May.

    He “doesn’t like to go too far without me,” said Nancy, a pediatric nurse. “He will not travel without me.”

    “We’re always worried about Bruce,” she continued. “If I’m at work and I call home and he doesn’t answer the phone, my first concern is, ‘Oh, my gosh, what happened?’ ”

    In 1998, Harper founded Heroes and Cool Kids, a not-for-profit organization that teaches high school students to mentor younger kids. He remains involved, but a partner runs it because he no longer can.

    “I’m just so messed up,” said Harper, who was never diagnosed with a concussion but was knocked out cold three times. “Sometimes I just can’t quite figure something out. It’s like I’m in a fog.”

    He deals with other problems: His back. Wrists. Shoulder. Knees. Feet.

    And Harper called it a “relief” when he tore his ACL in his final season. He wonders if it saved him from paralysis because of a serious spinal issue in his neck.

    “I think had I played much longer, who knows?” he said.

    Despite his struggles, Harper says, “the guy I really feel bad for is Wesley.”

    Walker took hits in 1986 and 1989 that left him temporarily paralyzed — and are responsible for much of his pain and weakness.

    He underwent spinal surgery five years ago that required a plate and 14 screws to rebuild his neck. His doctor told him he “had no choice” — even a minor car accident could leave him paralyzed.

    Now he needs back surgery.

    Drinking kept his mind off the pain. But he recently stopped when his three adult children grew concerned.

    “They don’t understand,” Walker said. “It’s not taking the pain away. It’s just making me not think about it.”

    “It’s just a constant struggle because he’s always in pain,” his daughter said.

    He relies on injections to keep him walking. And recently, Walker noticed a deteriorating short-term memory and enunciation difficulties, with his words occasionally coming out “as mumbo jumbo.”

    “I never thought it would be like this,” Walker said. “If I knew I would end up like this, hell no. Not on your life [would I have played]. I’d find another career.”
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    "We have been watching and waiting, but I wouldn't say we intend to continue to do that. I think you watch and wait to try and assess a situation and act accordingly. It might involve more waiting. It might involve moving in one direction or another. We've done plenty of watching and waiting. If we can move in a particular direction, we might do that."

    Sandy Alderson: 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98 View Post
    People need to educate themselves.


    http://www.northjersey.com/closter/F...abilities.html

    The desperate prayer often escapes Wesley Walker’s lips in the dead of night.

    When the pain grows intolerable, he sits alone in the dark watching movies, passing the sleepless hours that plague him almost daily.

    “I’ve sat in bed, praying ‘Jesus, God, would you make the pain go away?’ ” said the 57-year-old Walker. “I just don’t want to go through this anymore. I would give anything just for a day not to have this happen.”

    The former Jets Pro Bowl receiver has been unable to feel his feet for 25 years and suffers from “constant, wrenching” pain running up his arms and deep inside his hands — which now shake — caused by nerve damage.

    This is life for Walker, and many of his former colleagues. While tens of millions of fans are focused on Sunday’s Super Bowl, Jets and Giants once at the center of attention deal quietly with illnesses such as Walker’s.

    Several of the Jets and Giants and their families are among the more than 4,000 former players and families who have accused the National Football League of concealing research linking head trauma to permanent brain injury, spawning a series of lawsuits. While the NFL has embarked on a number of measures in the last three years to address concerns, it has consistently refused to comment on the suits since consolidated in federal court.

    Some stories are well known, especially those of players like Junior Seau who committed suicide after their careers ended. But most fans are unaware what’s befallen Walker, Bruce Harper and other local stars after they limped out of the spotlight.

    Harper’s wife, Nancy, is afraid to leave the former Jet — widely known for his work with Bergen County young people — alone given his serious brain and heart issues. The ex-Giant lineman Brad Benson had emergency spinal surgery in September when he could no longer feel much of his right leg.

    And Leonard Marshall, a former Giants and Jets defensive end, suffers from mood swings, fogginess and short-term memory loss. Only 51, he is convinced he’s suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, a degenerative brain disease linked to repetitive head trauma.

    Those players knew football was a brutal sport when they signed up on their own volition. But players not suing the league, such as Walker, join Harper and Marshall — who are involved in the lawsuit — in contending that the league needs to do more to help.

    The NFL has instituted a strict return-to-play protocol for concussions and an education campaign including TV commercials and posters in locker rooms demonstrating proper tackling technique. It also has introduced new penalties to protect players’ heads.

    In September, the league pledged $30 million to the Foundation for the National Institutes of Health to fund research. And it established the NFL Player Care Foundation in 2007, providing health screenings and other medical services.

    But critics say those measures do not do enough to assist the players who came before, who are suffering now.

    “These guys need help. And they’re asking for help,” said Taylor Walker, Wesley’s daughter and a former New Jersey Nets dancer.

    Harper doesn’t know how much time he has left.

    The Englewood native and Closter resident, who copes with near-constant headaches, worries that the suit will still be going on after he dies.

    “Right now, even thinking about [concussions], I could just cry,” said Harper, a Jets receiver, back and returner from 1977 to 1984. “I’m not kidding you. I could cry right now very, very easily....

    “And the sad thing is, I think they’re just going to string this out until most of us die. In my health, I’m not going to live long.”

    Harper and Walker are hardly alone.

    Benson underwent a three-level fusion in his lower back that lasted 13½ hours and included the insertion of 12 rods. Doctors feared the numbness and nerve damage would become permanent if they did not operate immediately.

    “Before this technology that they have today? I’d be in a wheelchair,” said Benson, a Giants left tackle from 1978 to 1987. He’s now well known for his unique radio commercials advertising his car dealership in Central Jersey.

    Benson, 57, previously had both hips replaced and spinal fusion surgery on his neck after parts of both hands went numb. He has regained all feeling.

    Former left tackle Roman Oben endured 11 surgeries during his 12-year career with four teams, including the Giants. He endured nine on his knees (one was a microfracture) and two reconstructive procedures on his left foot. Only 40 years old, he has “chronic pain.”

    “It’s the story of football,” said Oben, who retired in 2007. He works as a broadcaster and serves as vice president of the New York/New Jersey chapter of the NFL Alumni Association. “It ages you 15 to 20 years, so I’m probably 40 going on 60 physically.”

    For Marshall, it’s his brain that’s worrisome. He has bouts of fogginess, where his train of thought becomes cloudy, and headaches that throb from temple to temple. He also has short-term memory issues and mood swings that send him on a “roller-coaster ride.”

    Marshall, a former Pro Bowler who had most of his 83½ career sacks with the Giants, said he lives with it every day.

    “One minute I’m crying,” he said. “The next minute I’m all emotional....

    “I know that I’m not myself. I’m not the kid that came into this. And this is not what I signed up for. Had I known this [would happen], I probably would have said, ‘The fame and fortune might not be worth it.’


    He compares his symptoms with those of his friend and onetime teammate Dave Duerson before the former Chicago Bear and Giant shot himself in the chest in 2011. Duerson, 50, had asked that his brain be studied to explain why he suffered from neurological issues in the final years of his life. CTE was discovered.

    “Everything he went through, I’ve gone through,” said Marshall, who also has four ruptured disks in his neck and lower spine issues and recently suffered kidney failure.

    “It’s very frightening because he couldn’t get answers to the same questions I have.”

    Medical documents related to the retired players’ illnesses are confidential because of federal privacy laws. Walker says he has “closets full” of his medical reports. Marshall says his own files stretch over 1,400 pages.

    The narrative former players and their lawyers portray is simple: They were asked to perform to the limit of their extraordinary physical abilities, sacrificing their bodies — and, unwittingly, their minds.

    Their suffering often is silent, heard only by wives, children and former teammates — the only support networks many have. They often require constant care and are drowning in medical bills.

    One recurring symptom that players talk about is depression.

    “These guys are getting bare-bones benefits,” Barbara Comerford said of players out of the NFL for 15 years or more. Comerford is a disability attorney based in Midland Park who represents “several” former players.

    “I get calls from ministers about these guys.” she said. “I get calls from spouses. I get calls from siblings because the spouses are gone.”

    Nancy Harper isn’t going anywhere.

    But Bruce Harper’s wife of almost 28 years cannot fix everything — or be there every minute. She wishes she were.

    Harper, 57, has a pacemaker to regulate a bad heart after it stopped in 1991 and he had to be revived. He suffered a mini-stroke last May.

    He “doesn’t like to go too far without me,” said Nancy, a pediatric nurse. “He will not travel without me.”

    “We’re always worried about Bruce,” she continued. “If I’m at work and I call home and he doesn’t answer the phone, my first concern is, ‘Oh, my gosh, what happened?’ ”

    In 1998, Harper founded Heroes and Cool Kids, a not-for-profit organization that teaches high school students to mentor younger kids. He remains involved, but a partner runs it because he no longer can.

    “I’m just so messed up,” said Harper, who was never diagnosed with a concussion but was knocked out cold three times. “Sometimes I just can’t quite figure something out. It’s like I’m in a fog.”

    He deals with other problems: His back. Wrists. Shoulder. Knees. Feet.

    And Harper called it a “relief” when he tore his ACL in his final season. He wonders if it saved him from paralysis because of a serious spinal issue in his neck.

    “I think had I played much longer, who knows?” he said.

    Despite his struggles, Harper says, “the guy I really feel bad for is Wesley.”

    Walker took hits in 1986 and 1989 that left him temporarily paralyzed — and are responsible for much of his pain and weakness.

    He underwent spinal surgery five years ago that required a plate and 14 screws to rebuild his neck. His doctor told him he “had no choice” — even a minor car accident could leave him paralyzed.

    Now he needs back surgery.

    Drinking kept his mind off the pain. But he recently stopped when his three adult children grew concerned.

    “They don’t understand,” Walker said. “It’s not taking the pain away. It’s just making me not think about it.”

    “It’s just a constant struggle because he’s always in pain,” his daughter said.

    He relies on injections to keep him walking. And recently, Walker noticed a deteriorating short-term memory and enunciation difficulties, with his words occasionally coming out “as mumbo jumbo.”

    “I never thought it would be like this,” Walker said. “If I knew I would end up like this, hell no. Not on your life [would I have played]. I’d find another career.”
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