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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsSoxKnicks View Post
    McCourty is good against the run and in this pass heavy league, I think you need 2 safeties who can cover.
    If McCourty can play the SS spot then hell yeah bring Reed in. If he doesn't have a ring after the season, I'd put good money on him ending up in NE.


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    I think our draft should be

    Trade 29 to buffalo for 41 and 74
    trade 74 and 91 for 52

    41 Matt Elam SS Florida
    Hard Hitting Enforcer safety that we need badly

    52 Khaseeme Green/Arthur Brown LB Rutgers and Kansas State
    both are good cover lbs that we need

    59 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech
    My favorite player in the draft versatile, good on 1 on 1's great at the senior bowl

    205 Tyrann Mathieu CB LSU/KR
    Honey Badger slot cb adds toughness and physicality to the defense

    221 William Campbell DT Michigan
    former 5 star recruit had to switch to OT for a year has a lot of potential

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    If McCourty can play the SS spot then hell yeah bring Reed in. If he doesn't have a ring after the season, I'd put good money on him ending up in NE.
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    No to Reed.

    #1. We've got a FS, he's our best S, and he's good, if not great. We also have two other safties who seem to be more FS or combo S's, but not SS's. So in terms of need, he's not a good fit.

    #2. Our only true SS is oft injured and appears gone, unless he signs a min deal and accepts he's a goal line in the box, no cover S only. If not, and even if so - we need a SS we can depend on, not what Reed brings.

    #3. Ed Reed will not be the next Rodney Harrison. Ed Reed is a better football player then Rodney career wise and that's saying something. But, Harrison didn't turn age 31 until December of his first year here. Reed will be turning 35 in September. Rodney started going down the tubes at age 33 and he was never the same. Reed peaked out in 2008 - a long time ago.

    #4. Even given all that, if Reed wants to come for short money, you make room for him, but if he wants say $10M for two years, with half up front? No.


    Could have had him in 2002 with our #1 pick instead of Graham... ouch.
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    High praise from Reed concerning BB:


    "Yeah, oh yeah, man, I could definitely play for coach Belichick," Reed responded. "He is a great coach. I'm sure he can help me to expand my football knowledge even more as a player and as a coach, so if I'm ever able to be around him, just like I was at the Pro Bowl, it's huge. It's the reason why I wear my sweater cut off a little bit. He's the first guy I saw like, 'That's cool.' You know, that's cool. He cuts those sweater sleeves, and he'll be comfortable. So there's a reason why. Most people will tell you around the facility that's how I look. It's just a blessing to even have met, to know coach Belichick."
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollins94 View Post
    so basically you want to just sit on the current roster and hope a new DC can coach existing talent better than BB? sounds legit.
    I didn't say sit on the roster entirely. Remember we don't have Talib yet and a hard hitting safety was a priority. When Talib was in the game he was handeling Boldin and it was after that it went bad. If he doesn't get hurt I would have thought is was going to play out as it did in the first half. I would consider sitting on a roster more of a old team trying to get by. That's not this D it is a young group 3 rookies started.

    Denard & Talib are fine with me and Mcourty is in his new home. Thats 3of 4 (Get a safety)
    Linebackers Mayo Spikes Hightower Ninko I'm OK there
    DL I believe Jones is going be the guy Vince no discussion I would be in for another DT or DE

    I would say BB is man over and over but I don't like our blitz schemes and some of our pass D philosiphy. So that is why I said a new DC. BB appears to give McDaniels on the O great lattitude. If it not BB's philosiphy then I stand by what I said new DC.

    Bags pointed it out and I believe it the DC stays. IMO the problems could be more schemes than personnel unfortunately there would only be one way to find out and I don't see other teams right now looking to steal our DC.

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    I've been looking at the 2013 fa's and I picked out a few canditates. Ed Reed and Dwight Freeney are 2 players who might be looking at 1 more kick at the can that we can get without killing our cap. At the safety position there are 2 big named guys that would cost a Tonne, Jarius Byrd and Dashon Goldson. Probably can't fit a huge cap hit like this but it would fill a massive need. On the cheap, Glenn Dorsey might be a guy that if he played next to Vince in the 4-3 might excel. Just some thoughts.
    IMO I would rather add a piece on D like Byrd or retain Talib than resign Welker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captmike View Post
    I didn't say sit on the roster entirely. Remember we don't have Talib yet and a hard hitting safety was a priority. When Talib was in the game he was handeling Boldin and it was after that it went bad. If he doesn't get hurt I would have thought is was going to play out as it did in the first half. I would consider sitting on a roster more of a old team trying to get by. That's not this D it is a young group 3 rookies started.

    I would say BB is man over and over but I don't like our blitz schemes and some of our pass D philosiphy. So that is why I said a new DC. BB appears to give McDaniels on the O great lattitude. If it not BB's philosiphy then I stand by what I said new DC.
    Well just bringing back Talib and keeping the D roster the same otherwise is basically sitting on it. Its rehashing the same roster from the end of the year and while the D is improved, theres no reason to think that the pats should be done building it. I would say the secondary guy should be another coverage oriented guy- either another CB or FS type given that Wilson likely projects as a SS more type down the road due to lack of elite range. Where is this "hard hitting safety" fetish coming from? Madden 2004? Look around the league, those guys are not in high demand anymore, and the supply is low if they can actually cover. Id much rather take a rangy coverage safety at this point than a Laron Landry/ Roy williams type.

    that being said, i agree that the scheme based pass defense has been too passive in the past. largely a function of personnel, particularly on the outside IMO. We havent had a cover corner as good as Talib in years (maybe rookie year DMC) and this secondary is starting to strengthen , assuming Talib is back. Obviously better coverage allows for more freedom to blitz, and I think that the passive schemes in the past have reflected BBs recognition of lacking DBs. Time will tell but i would think you see more pressure brought this year, particularly as some of the ILBs (spikes, hightower when he played there) are actually developing into useful downhill pass rushers that would help shift focus from Jones and co on the outside. getting a new DC wouldnt mean diddly as BB dictates scheme tendencies and personnel more than the offensive side of the ball anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollins94 View Post
    Well just bringing back Talib and keeping the D roster the same otherwise is basically sitting on it. Its rehashing the same roster from the end of the year and while the D is improved, theres no reason to think that the pats should be done building it.

    Agreed. I said a Safety and a DL or DE. What were you thinking in terms of replacing starters? We obviously want depth.

    I would say the secondary guy should be another coverage oriented guy- either another CB or FS type given that Wilson likely projects as a SS more type down the road due to lack of elite range. Where is this "hard hitting safety" fetish coming from? Madden 2004?

    Nah I don't play Madden I was kind thinking a Safety like the 4 in the Superbowl they all hit and play their spots well.

    Look around the league, those guys are not in high demand anymore, and the supply is low if they can actually cover. Id much rather take a rangy coverage safety at this point than a Laron Landry/ Roy williams type.

    I would never sacrifice hitting for coverage but we do need somebody in the back 4 that can come up and stop and cover. Mc is the rangy cover guy.

    that being said, i agree that the scheme based pass defense has been too passive in the past. largely a function of personnel, particularly on the outside IMO. We havent had a cover corner as good as Talib in years (maybe rookie year DMC) and this secondary is starting to strengthen , assuming Talib is back. Obviously better coverage allows for more freedom to blitz, and I think that the passive schemes in the past have reflected BBs recognition of lacking DBs. Time will tell but i would think you see more pressure brought this year, particularly as some of the ILBs (spikes, hightower when he played there) are actually developing into useful downhill pass rushers that would help shift focus from Jones and co on the outside.

    Agree again. Which is why anytime we can improve do it but I like all those guys too. I hope that does lead to more aggression which also makes better DB's when there is less time.

    getting a new DC wouldnt mean diddly as BB dictates scheme tendencies and personnel more than the offensive side of the ball anyway.
    Yeah I know just would be interesting to what if. I know it wouldn't happen for reasons we already discussed and because he stated he would only take a HC job but it would be nice to see Lovie Smith on our sidelines for a year.
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    Long term McCourty is definitely a FS, but I don't think a year playing SS next to Reed would be bad for his development. One thing I think our secondary is lacking is a veteran presence on the back end that can set the defense. Reed is so smart that I think even in year 1, he can pass a lot on to McCourty. I could see Reed taking a 1 year deal here trying for a SB. And McCourty, even playing out of position for a year, has a great mentor that will ultimately make him better off for the future.


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    Goldson also has high praise for BB:

    Goldson could be another option for the Patriots, who were inconsistent in the back of the secondary, even after Devin McCourty shifted from corner to safety. Goldson visited with the Patriots in 2011 and admitted there was real interest in signing, though he wasn’t overwhelmed with a deal and returned to the 49ers on a modest one-year, $2 million contract.

    “I really thought highly of it,” Goldson said. “I was up in my hotel late at night talking to my agent going back and forth, and I just made the decision and stuck with it.”

    When pressed for more specifics, Goldson said, “I just think it was a better situation for me to stay in San Francisco. It was based on what was going on over there, how I felt. I still felt I had something to prove. Boston had their stuff intact already, and I just felt the situation would have been different if I had gotten there. I think I made a good decision on staying here and making the best out of it.”

    Goldson looked at a Patriots roster that included safeties Patrick Chung, James Sanders and Brandon Meriweather, and knew there would be greater competition for playing time. So he stuck with the 49ers, who drafted him in 2007, and made the Pro Bowl the last two years and earned an All-Pro nod this season.

    “My football team I was on was a great football team,” Goldson said. “The mindset, we were on a building stage, and I want to be a part of that. We had made so many strides, especially for me being there early in 2007. We had made so many strides that we got to the point to where we could get the team to this point.”

    Goldson would be the 49ers’ highest-priority free agent, so they could retain him with the franchise tag for the second consecutive season if negotiations don’t materialize in the next few weeks. He even said yesterday he believed he would be back for a seventh season with the Niners.

    But Goldson has some good history with Belichick and relished the chance to meet him two summers ago. He could be the Patriots’ X-factor if the 49ers don’t secure him quickly enough.

    “Bill is a good guy,” Goldson said. “We sat down, talked football. He stressed how he wanted me there and let me know what it was going to take. My hat is off to him.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVpatsfan View Post
    We only have 1 pick in each of the first 3 rounds. I don't even entertain the idea of getting him. It would be great, but it is not happening. Absolutely 0% chance.
    I honestly did not know that thanks for clearing that up. BTW your sig is funny but messed up HA HA HA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captmike View Post
    Yeah I know just would be interesting to what if. I know it wouldn't happen for reasons we already discussed and because he stated he would only take a HC job but it would be nice to see Lovie Smith on our sidelines for a year.
    Lovie is a 4-3 specialist who has no history with any of our personnel and not really any connection to BB or anyone else in the decision making process. I assume you want him because the bears have blitzed heavily in the past? Well if the pats had an elite cover corner like tillman, one of the best drop back coverage MLB ever and strong secondary play youd see them blitz a lot more. as discussed, players should determine scheme, not the other way around. if you were drafting guys to make this happen sure, i might agree you can bring more pressure but before we know the impact on the roster this offseason, scheme speculation/ hiring a coach based on that is crazy.

    Agreed. I said a Safety and a DL or DE. What were you thinking in terms of replacing starters? We obviously want depth.

    This team has far more than enough depth. I would agree help up front is a priority on both sides of the ball, but you could realistically say that adding a starting caliber Db, DE and Dt all would be worthwhile. Again, the cap is a limiter but those are all positions that need to be addressed either this offseason or next IMO

    Nah I don't play Madden I was kind thinking a Safety like the 4 in the Superbowl they all hit and play their spots well.

    Ravens are there b/c Flacco performed and Brady didnt. Ravens defense is far overrated at this point, none more so than their safeties. Reed is still good but a shadow of his former self, Pollard is inconsistent in coverage. Not a strength, better than what we have, sure but thats not saying much as opposite DMC was a black hole this year. And you could argue the safeties are the weakest part of the 49ers entire defensive unit, propped up by superior players around them. Both Whitner and Goldson are more hitters than coverage guys and i works for them because the 9ers have great CBs and get QB pressure much better than we do. Again, its all relative, but that wouldnt for us given current roster construction. If we had the CB and rusher I mentioned above, sure. But you need to another coverage safety to mask current inability to rush the passer and developing CB play behind Talib

    I would never sacrifice hitting for coverage but we do need somebody in the back 4 that can come up and stop and cover. Mc is the rangy cover guy.

    No. DMC was actually pretty highly regarded as run supporter at CB. While that doesnt play the same way at S, you absolutely have to prioritize coverage at S in the current league structure. FWTIW, I wouldnt mind drafting a corner to convert to S and shifting DMC to SS assuming Reed isnt coming. If that happens, it essentially is a best case scenario for the secondary but makes filling other needs much more difficult due to Reeds salary demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucic17 View Post
    Just a thought dont kill me!!!!!!!!!!!!! But would anyone consider a Aaron Hernandez for Roddy White trade. With tony gonzalez retiring and our need for a big body receiver i could see this working for both teams. I know roddys not a spring chicken anymore but he should have a few good years left. And Aaron would fill in nice for Tony Gonzalez. Thanks in advance for not killing me!! And interested to hear everyones thoughts.
    Well, they just signed Hernandez to a long term deal through 2018. Why would they want to give up a good young player (Hernandez, 23) they have on a team friendly deal for a player (White, 31) that has 2 years left on his deal and is entering the heaviest cap hit years?

    Not a very well thought out deal in my view.
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    Dane Flethcher back in the mix. While he's not the saviour to the Pats coverage problems, he can certainly help in sub packages, maybe coming in for Spikes on passing downs. Good to have him back.

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