All Decade Teams (1990's) (Post 53 with official team)

[goldenstater]

where does calling the pitches and stuff like that account for in the stats? cause to me that is part of the value too( maybe just as important as throwing out runners)

[Jeffy25]

where does calling the pitches and stuff like that account for in the stats? cause to me that is part of the value too( maybe just as important as throwing out runners)

Well you are never going to be able to calculate calling pitches.

For a few reasons. Not all catchers call all pitches. Yadier does, but not everyone. Most rookie catchers get the calls from the dugout, and some pitchers like Verlander call their own game. So you have no way of being able to break down who is calling what and the sequence and if it has any value vs what could have been called. You also have the inability to know if the pitch was thrown in the correct place or not. Even though you can look at video and see where the catcher was set up, even that isn't 100% because sometimes catchers 'show a pitch' if men are on base for example.

We can measure a catchers ability to block pitches, to frame pitches, to control the running game, to catch foul balls, to throw out bunt hits and sacrifices. That's it. We can't calculate many other things because they aren't measurable because it isn't consistent action. As long as it's consistent action, then it's measurable.

[WadeKobe]

Well you are never going to be able to calculate calling pitches.

For a few reasons. Not all catchers call all pitches. Yadier does, but not everyone. Most rookie catchers get the calls from the dugout, and some pitchers like Verlander call their own game. So you have no way of being able to break down who is calling what and the sequence and if it has any value vs what could have been called. You also have the inability to know if the pitch was thrown in the correct place or not. Even though you can look at video and see where the catcher was set up, even that isn't 100% because sometimes catchers 'show a pitch' if men are on base for example.

We can measure a catchers ability to block pitches, to frame pitches, to control the running game, to catch foul balls, to throw out bunt hits and sacrifices. That's it. We can't calculate many other things because they aren't measurable because it isn't consistent action. As long as it's consistent action, then it's measurable.

I realize there are too many variables in play for it to have a lot of meaning, but I wonder what it might look like to compare carchers' ERA with the same pitcher? I wonder if that would lend any useful information.

[Jeffy25]

I realize there are too many variables in play for it to have a lot of meaning, but I wonder what it might look like to compare carchers' ERA with the same pitcher? I wonder if that would lend any useful information.

Are you saying as in the same season? A back up vs a starter?

I don't think you'll have enough of a sample size to learn anything.

[WadeKobe]

Are you saying as in the same season? A back up vs a starter?

I don't think you'll have enough of a sample size to learn anything.

It would have to be done over multiple seasons, you would think. But then you're probably introducing far too many variables. Obviously vs. a backup the sample sizes would be far too small over the course of one season.

Eh, I was thinking out loud. Sorry. Lol. Thanks for listening! You may ignore me now.

[Jeffy25]

It would have to be done over multiple seasons, you would think. But then you're probably introducing far too many variables. Obviously vs. a backup the sample sizes would be far too small over the course of one season.

Eh, I was thinking out loud. Sorry. Lol. Thanks for listening! You may ignore me now.

I think it's interesting. And you could take a look and see if you have one consistent starter with even different backups how it's consistently going. But you are going to have different pitchers come and go, and just so many variables. I just don't know how useful the information would be without context and the sample sizes will be issues.

I mean, Posey is consistently better than his backups in cERA, and Ryan Hanigan is consistently one of the best. But these guys have good rotations, and their backups aren't doing a lot of the catching (at least in Posey's case). And with a revolving door being the backups, it's hard to have enough information to know what to look for.

[texanmonstra011]

Are we ignoring the steroids issue like the HOF does? If not, then no Bonds and Mark M.

If we're ignoring the steroids, then I would put them in my lineup as well.

[Jeffy25]

The Official 90's team is:

C - Piazza
1B - Bagwell
2B - Alomar
3B - Ventura
SS - Larkin
LF - Bonds
CF - Griffey
RF - Walker
Bench - Thomas

Rotation
1. Clemens
2. Maddux
3. Johnson
4. Glavine
5. Cone

Closer - Hoffman

[Spencesc11]

My team of the 90's

C - Mike Piazza
1B - Frank Thomas
2B - Roberto Alomar
3B - Edgar Martinez
SS - Barry Larkin
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Ken Griffey Jr
RF - Albert Belle

Bench - Jeff Bagwell

Rotation
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Tom Glavine
John Smoltz
Randy Johnson

Closer
Mariano Rivera

This team would be almost unstoppable against any decade.

Think of this lineup (where do you get an easy out???)

1) Roberto Alomar
2) Barry Bonds
3) Ken Griffey Jr
4) Frank Thomas
5) Albert Belle
6) Edgar Martinez
7) Mike Piazza
8) Barry Larkin