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    Agree, with all of this.
    I'll take a jumbotron too!

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    Whats not to like about the poles...they are classy. What do you actually think people go to watch the games?
    BUTTERFLIES AND RAINBOWS!!!!! I love it when a plan comes together - John Hannibal Smith.


    "I hear STUPID People...When? Alllll theee timmme"

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    wonder i the roof top owners can make the buildings bigger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poodski View Post
    I believe the Cubs are changing the attitude. Rather than a I think getting Theo is pretty big and possibly the biggest addition to this organization since WW2.

    The Cubs are finally embracing the 21st century and trying to build a team the right way. I guess I dont quite get why it has to be all or nothing? Do you really think Wrigley is the reason we haven't won a WS?

    I think these renovations are pretty awesome. I could do without the jumbotron, but I am starting to give in to that as well.

    As far as the rooftops why should the Cubs try to ruin other peoples businesses? Personally I think the rooftops are something that makes Wrigley pretty unique and the Cubs do make a small profit off the sales.

    did I say that?? NO, don't put words in my mouth... Why do I hate Wrigley so much? Only because players hate playing at Wrigley. I am sorry but if players are voicing their opinion and say I will never play there because of this or that then its got to change. And if you can't give your fans an unobstructed view of the game then why would the fans want to come to the game and watch your team? Its 2013 we now have modern materials and architectural structures able to give the fans an unobstructed view why would we not do this? Because the cubs MIGHT have to play somewhere else for a brief time? Give me a break....


    If Yankee Stadium and be torn down and rebuilt so can Wrigley freaking field........ good grief... step back from our(yes even mine) homer opinions and look at the big picture here.

    My other question so we renovate the stadium how long is it going to last? Are we goign to keep throwing money into it? Would it be cheaper in the long run to build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidH View Post
    If there isn't, what makes it a tradition?
    Ok then let me ask. How long must something unique go on before its considered a tradition? Tradition isn't really quantifiable unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleJRM View Post
    Which feeds into my point: It's stupid, but every stupid thing done anywhere near the ballpark gets called "tradition" and we get stuck with it.
    I really dont think its stupid, nor do the majority of Cubs fans if I had to guess. I guess youre just gonna have to deal with our stupid Cubs traditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petrey10 View Post
    yes because you will get even better amenities in a new park... not be constrained to certain limits ... can you imagine what they could do with a fresh slate? We are talking about trying to get one of the best parks that baseball can be played at.... somewhere players can be proud to come play at.

    SCREW THE TRADITION....... lets face it our tradition in Wrigley has been choking and losing... just be totally honest with that fact. We aren't talking about Lambeau field where championships were won...

    How bout we as an organization look to change the way this team thinks... change the tradition... change the attitude... raise the bar... why should we be limited to the constraints of the walls of a park where nothing has been won?

    Ivy can be regrown....scoreboards can be moved... park atmospheres are from the fans and if you build it THEY WILL COME... heck maybe more will come... MAYBE JUST MAYBE a new park could be BETTER!!!!!! Screw the rooftops why should we be loyal to them? How bout we get those fans INSIDE THE PARK!!!!!
    Why cant we just keep the traditions and start winning World Series'? That would make more sense unless youre superstitious or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimbrH2001 View Post
    I really dont think its stupid, nor do the majority of Cubs fans if I had to guess. I guess youre just gonna have to deal with our stupid Cubs traditions?
    I can deal with this. Lots of Cubs fans are douchebags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidH View Post
    I can deal with this. Lots of Cubs fans are douchebags.
    Looks like yet another stupid Cubs tradition has been started? Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petrey10 View Post
    did I say that?? NO, don't put words in my mouth... Why do I hate Wrigley so much? Only because players hate playing at Wrigley. I am sorry but if players are voicing their opinion and say I will never play there because of this or that then its got to change. And if you can't give your fans an unobstructed view of the game then why would the fans want to come to the game and watch your team? Its 2013 we now have modern materials and architectural structures able to give the fans an unobstructed view why would we not do this? Because the cubs MIGHT have to play somewhere else for a brief time? Give me a break....


    If Yankee Stadium and be torn down and rebuilt so can Wrigley freaking field........ good grief... step back from our(yes even mine) homer opinions and look at the big picture here.

    My other question so we renovate the stadium how long is it going to last? Are we goign to keep throwing money into it? Would it be cheaper in the long run to build?
    Build where, exactly? The Cubs organization is not stupid. Like Wrigley or not, but there are a lot of people going to that ballpark because of the park and neighborhood. Now, I am not one of them. I go to see the game. I am a Cubs fan, not a Wrigley fan. But the fact is, if the Cubs built a new stadium after a few years they would lose the newness of the ballpark and not draw as well as they do at Wrigley. At least, that is what I believe. And I think the Cubs FO believes that too. Yes, the neighborhood needs the Cubs, but the Cubs also need the neighborhood. To me that is why there isn't a new ballpark. IMO it has nothing to do with the FO worrying about tradition and restoration of a "great ballpark". It has everything to do with the FO knowing the park and it's location brings money to the Cubs. Believe me, if I had it my way there woudl be a brand new retractable dome ballpark built similar to Wrigley at a different location. And I would go to see the Cubs play with more comfort. But I think they lose a portion of the fan base who goes for the "experience of Wrigley" (YUK)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcal10 View Post
    Build where, exactly? The Cubs organization is not stupid. Like Wrigley or not, but there are a lot of people going to that ballpark because of the park and neighborhood. Now, I am not one of them. I go to see the game. I am a Cubs fan, not a Wrigley fan. But the fact is, if the Cubs built a new stadium after a few years they would lose the newness of the ballpark and not draw as well as they do at Wrigley. At least, that is what I believe. And I think the Cubs FO believes that too. Yes, the neighborhood needs the Cubs, but the Cubs also need the neighborhood. To me that is why there isn't a new ballpark. IMO it has nothing to do with the FO worrying about tradition and restoration of a "great ballpark". It has everything to do with the FO knowing the park and it's location brings money to the Cubs. Believe me, if I had it my way there woudl be a brand new retractable dome ballpark built similar to Wrigley at a different location. And I would go to see the Cubs play with more comfort. But I think they lose a portion of the fan base who goes for the "experience of Wrigley" (YUK)
    Theres just really no other location they could stick a new park and draw what they do in Wrigleyville. For that very simple reason, they need the neighborhood just as much as the neighborhood needs them. A very symbiotic relationship and they of course whether u like it or not, its how the FO treats it when negotiating with the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimbrH2001 View Post
    Theres just really no other location they could stick a new park and draw what they do in Wrigleyville. For that very simple reason, they need the neighborhood just as much as the neighborhood needs them. A very symbiotic relationship and they of course whether u like it or not, its how the FO treats it when negotiating with the neighborhood.
    This is just not true at all. The neighborhood is much more screwed if they leave than the Cubs are.

    They are still a major market team with an extremely loyal and fairly strong nationwide following. It's not like they will become the Rays if they aren't in Wrigleyville anymore.

    And if this rebuild goes as well as it had better (considering they are sacrificing entire seasons in order to do it), they wouldn't have any trouble drawing a crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidH View Post
    This is just not true at all. The neighborhood is much more screwed if they leave than the Cubs are.

    They are still a major market team with an extremely loyal and fairly strong nationwide following. It's not like they will become the Rays if they aren't in Wrigleyville anymore.

    And if this rebuild goes as well as it better (considering they are sacrificing entire seasons in order to do it), they wouldn't have any trouble drawing a crowd.
    Yes. And if they tried a new tradition when going into a new park, such as consistently winning, Wrigley and the crappy bars surrounding it would be forgotten in a hurry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidH View Post
    This is just not true at all. The neighborhood is much more screwed if they leave than the Cubs are.

    They are still a major market team with an extremely loyal and fairly strong nationwide following. It's not like they will become the Rays if they aren't in Wrigleyville anymore.

    And if this rebuild goes as well as it had better (considering they are sacrificing entire seasons in order to do it), they wouldn't have any trouble drawing a crowd.
    David, I think you are kidding yourself here. If the Cubs played at US Cellular for example and the Sox played at Wrigley, my guess is the Sox would outdraw the Cubs. I realize true Cubs fans would go to the game. But there are a lot of non-fans at Cubs games. They are there for the "experience". And if the "experience" was changed by a different ballpark and different location, the Cubs would suffer. Like I said, I would love a new park. But I doubt that happens, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Yes. And if they tried a new tradition when going into a new park, such as consistently winning, Wrigley and the crappy bars surrounding it would be forgotten in a hurry.
    Maybe so. But now they don't have to win and people come. Even on a down year they still outdrew the White Sox. And a lot of that is because of the park and the neighborhood. Yes, maybe if they constantly won the new park would be filled. Maybe! But now they know whatever they do the seats are sold at Wrigley. Even if the crowds are not there because of a bad team, they still have the tickets sold.

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