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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbw241 View Post
    Does anyone actually know the specific problems that he is having with the Rockets? Like what does he want from them? Specifics.
    Neither the Rockets nor Royce have given any specifics on what it is he wants. They have kept everything pretty private. However it IS NOT about flying and not about the dleague.

    He feels that the Rockets are treating him like a spoiled brat and do not have proper protocols in place so that he can feel safe in the work environment. So it could be a variation of things. I have met people with OCD that require routine so badly that they can freak out if something as little as a waitress taking too long on his order so he things they are poisoning him.

    Not saying Royce is like this but it could be a variation of things that for confidentiality purposes the team and Royce agree it should remain private.

    Frankly put, nobody knows. This is why it's unfair to put the blame on Royce. Sure the problem derives from his conditions but it is not his fault that he has these conditions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Max.This View Post
    Brooklyn isn't smoking noone's *** besides the line at the medicare office
    Sig bet with FriedTofuz or whatever his name is (I'm on my phone so it's too tedious to go find his exact name) that if the Nets lose to the Raptors I will delete my account and if the Raptors lose he will delete his (lol Raptors fans are so cute).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRiot36 View Post
    Did i say anywhere that he should be a man and suck it up? No. I have a medical background and said clearly that I am well aware of the complications of a panic disorder. And if you read my previous post, you would see that I used Marshall's case as an example, not a direct connection. Im not that ignorant. Yes this is from my perspective. My perspective by no means assumes that money, fame, and the NBA should make White shut up and play. You are putting words in my mouth and are giving yourself the right to extrapolate out however much you please. I am saying White should make an honest effort to honor the LEGAL CONTRACT he signed with the team and the league that he is supposed to participate in. This means working with the medical staff of the team and the front office to make some kind of arrangement.I dont think you know what meeting halfway means. It DOES NOT MEAN PUTTING HIMSELF AT RISK BY PLAYING IMMEDIATELY. For right now means getting all the issues sorted out that will eventually make it possible for him to play. By all accounts, he isnt doing that either. The team doesnt know how to proceed because they havent dealt with the problem before. No **** they dont have protocol for it. It is White's job to work with them to solve it.
    Sorry i misunderstood you and that i did not clarify.

    With the "puff your chest" comment i was referring to all the ignorant posters out there that are telling him to "suck it up". I did not mean that part to mean you.

    That said i agree with your assessment of what he should do. I do think he could have handled all this better. However i do not by any means agree with anyone that thinks he should just play. He needs to keep working with the team psychologist (who has backed Royce the whole way) and with the Rockets to make the situation better so that he can play. I think he is doing this now.

    "Shut up and play" is not a solution to anything and i hope people realize this (not you).

    If they CANNOT work it out they need to trade him or release him and hopefully one of the remaining teams will care enough to spend the money necessary to provide what he needs.

    My gut feeling is that this involves money and the Rockets unwillingness to invest in the things he is asking.
    Last edited by Chill_Will_24; 01-17-2013 at 07:45 PM.


    Quote Originally Posted by Max.This View Post
    Brooklyn isn't smoking noone's *** besides the line at the medicare office
    Sig bet with FriedTofuz or whatever his name is (I'm on my phone so it's too tedious to go find his exact name) that if the Nets lose to the Raptors I will delete my account and if the Raptors lose he will delete his (lol Raptors fans are so cute).

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    Going to have to check this out more later, been waiting to get into a good discussion on this.

    Personally, I think he should quit. He's asking the Rockets to make concessions for him that are outside of the CBA that the NBA and players just signed.

    Now, the NBA and NBAPA may be at fault here but you know what, when he signed up and he looked at his contract, he should've had his agent spell it out for him.

    He's equally at fault here, he's not ******** he has a mental disorder and he could fully comprehend his actions, he just wants someone to feel pity on him and go over and above what he agreed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by odiz View Post
    Then he should have got an office job or locked himself in his house. If he cant travel then he shouldnt have signed an NBA contract that he had no intention of honouring. It seems like he signed for the publicity so he can be a spokesman for his problems.
    Do you read anything before you post?! Jesus Christ this is not about flying anymore and the fact that you are implying he cannot chase his dream because of a mental handicap is ridiculous and insulting. He is a talented basketball player with the physical gifts to play in the NBA. That kind of talent should just be thrown into am office job because the NBA does not have proper protocols in place for people with mental disorders?

    Ridiculous.


    Quote Originally Posted by Max.This View Post
    Brooklyn isn't smoking noone's *** besides the line at the medicare office
    Sig bet with FriedTofuz or whatever his name is (I'm on my phone so it's too tedious to go find his exact name) that if the Nets lose to the Raptors I will delete my account and if the Raptors lose he will delete his (lol Raptors fans are so cute).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill_Will_24 View Post
    Grow the **** up. Just because your broke *** puts high value in money does not mean he needs to. He cares about his own life and values it a lot more than anything the NBA can give him.

    People are just mad that they live mediocre lives and WISH they could have the millions he could make and feel insulted that he does not put high value on money. In essence people are mad that he is a decent person.
    You don't sound too chill right now Will haha.

    I am not a doctor, I doubt any of us are. I know that there are certain mental disorders that carry a very large weight with them, whether they be physical, emotional or mental. I have had a number of family members commit suicide or die as a result of them and know from a distance others who have done the same. They were diagnosed with everything from seizures, epilepsy, schizophrenia, bi-polar, anxiety, panic attacks, dementia and many other ailments.

    In doing my own research online and through close family experience, I understand that any and all of these can greatly affect someone's life.

    Tht being said, the way Royce has contributed to this situation leaves him at fault just as much, if not more so than the NBA and the Rockets.

    Royce and his agent should have made it known before pen was put to paper that he had so much going on.

    Royce and his agent should have had at least 3 doctors do their own psychological evaluation predraft to present to teams so they knew what they were getting into.

    Royce chose the wrong profession. Yes, everyone should have a chance to live their dreams, but if you suffer from anxiety/panic attacks among other things, you probably shouldn't want to be in one of the most pressure filled industries in the world. Not if you care about your health.

    Royce needs to stop taking to twitter like an angry teenager and deal with these problems like a man with the Rocket's front office. Venting to the general population just comes off as childish.

    Royce knew what he was getting into with NBA protocol. He can act like he didn't but clearly he has had a team of lawyers ready since day 1 to fight his case. He signed the contract to get his money and now is deciding to take his stand against how the NBA handles his mental problems. If he cared about his health so much he would have read the fine print more closely and refused to sign unless concessions were made to accommodate his issues. All people were aware of was his hesitance to fly, not the myriad of other things that have come up. Instead he took the money and now is making his stand. Pretty convenient.

    I understand that as a country, both professionally and socially, we are still learning about what causes certain illnesses and disorders and it will probably be some time before we comprehend exactly what we are dealing with and how to best treat it. However, White has shown that he is intelligent enough to have manipulated this situation with the Rockets and the NBA being the bad guys when he knew from the start that there would be problems.

    I understand why both sides are upset.

    Royce feels his mental conditions have not been handled sensitively enough.

    The Rockets are upset because if they had known this would be such a problem they probably would have never signed him. They will never say that because I'm sure Royce already has that lawsuit draft written up.

    Point is, if people know fully well that they have major illnesses, they need to make those 100% clear before pursuing or accepting a job in any field.

    Employers should be allowed to protect themselves just as much as employees have their own civil rights. Right now, Royce is getting paid. While the Rockets are basically paying someone disability when they thought he would be working.

    If that offended anyone I apologize. Just how I feel after analyzing both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tymathee View Post
    Going to have to check this out more later, been waiting to get into a good discussion on this.

    Personally, I think he should quit. He's asking the Rockets to make concessions for him that are outside of the CBA that the NBA and players just signed.

    Now, the NBA and NBAPA may be at fault here but you know what, when he signed up and he looked at his contract, he should've had his agent spell it out for him.

    He's equally at fault here, he's not ******** he has a mental disorder and he could fully comprehend his actions, he just wants someone to feel pity on him and go over and above what he agreed to.
    and you are a freaking idiot. There. See? Anyone can throw their opinions around like jackasses . What facts do you have to prove he wants pity? What has he asked for that is so otherworldly? You do not know ****.

    Moreover the CBA does not have anything to do with this. His contract and the money he was getting was not the issue. The contract does not specify things about travel schedules, promotional events, mandatory assignments, and whatever else teams do with players that we do not know.

    You do not know what he is asking for. Until you know what it is that he asked of the Rockets you cannot properly analyze a thing.

    For all you know this is the fault of the Rockets for failing to research the situation and doing their homework on what exactly needed to be done for Royce. You would think that in drafting him, the Rockets would have met with his doctors and taken their time in deciding whether they wanted him.

    Royce is on record as saying he did not think he would even be drafted. Seems to me like the Rockets did what all the teams do; treat the players as commodities and took a "calculated risk" without realizing that they are not in a casino playing blackjack and are deciding on the future of a human being. If they had done their homework maybe this would not be happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max.This View Post
    Brooklyn isn't smoking noone's *** besides the line at the medicare office
    Sig bet with FriedTofuz or whatever his name is (I'm on my phone so it's too tedious to go find his exact name) that if the Nets lose to the Raptors I will delete my account and if the Raptors lose he will delete his (lol Raptors fans are so cute).

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    ok here is my problem with this whole situation. He was fine early in the season with no problems until he was demoted to the dleague. He can say all he wants its not about that but then why wait til you are demoted? And guess what? you are a piece of meat just like football players and any other professional, not just sports. You are paid to do your job and when you cant do your job anymore you are fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill_Will_24 View Post
    and you are a freaking idiot. There. See? Anyone can throw their opinions around like jackasses . What facts do you have to prove he wants pity? What has he asked for that is so otherworldly? You do not know ****.

    Moreover the CBA does not have anything to do with this. His contract and the money he was getting was not the issue. The contract does not specify things about travel schedules, promotional events, mandatory assignments, and whatever else teams do with players that we do not know.

    You do not know what he is asking for. Until you know what it is that he asked of the Rockets you cannot properly analyze a thing.
    One, chill out will, two. how do u know what i do or do not know? I'm going to find the article that I saw EXACTLY, what royce is saying he wants from the rockets and how it violates the CBA, so unless you know what i know, do not call me an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill_Will_24 View Post
    Have you ever had a panic attack? Have you ever experienced the hyper ventilation and the terrible feeling of thinking you are close to death and unable to do anything about it? What if this terrible feeling could be triggered by anything from an argument to public speaking or even something as common as travelling?

    Anyone that does not know what it's like to have anxiety disorder should not be judging this guy just a man cannot judge a woman who says that she will not have children because she is afraid of child birth.
    who hasnt at some point in their life? i read somewhere between 15 to 20% of americans have it, which should mean royce isnt the only one in the nba with it and certainly not the first or last.

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    Royce needs to report to the d league and play basketball, or dont. ask for your contract to be voided and find a career that better suits your condition. I understand some people have certain problems /disabilities that can be physical or mental, but everything cant stop for this one guy. Mental disorders are tough because its like opening pandoras box, physical disabilities are pretty cut n dry in that they are very visable and evident for the most part. If the rockets and NBA allows this players are going to start to abuse this kind of thing to benefit themselves or get a fairer shake. I dont wanna go to the d league so ill claim i have a disorder in order to keep myself in the big time or limelight if you will. Its a distraction to the team and sport. If im a head coach am i gonna give a guy minutes in an nba game that he doesnt belong in because of a mental disorder. I havent read too deep into this and maybe i only scratched the surface and there is more here, but my opinion is hes gotta play basketball. if a player with one arm somehow got drafted to an nba team and then they couldnt cut or demote him based on his disability i think that would look pretty ridiculous.

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    He just needs to retire. End the story. End his "fear". End everything that is "unsafe" about Pro sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigInSanJose View Post
    You don't sound too chill right now Will haha.

    I am not a doctor, I doubt any of us are. I know that there are certain mental disorders that carry a very large weight with them, whether they be physical, emotional or mental. I have had a number of family members commit suicide or die as a result of them and know from a distance others who have done the same. They were diagnosed with everything from seizures, epilepsy, schizophrenia, bi-polar, anxiety, panic attacks, dementia and many other ailments.

    In doing my own research online and through close family experience, I understand that any and all of these can greatly affect someone's life.

    Tht being said, the way Royce has contributed to this situation leaves him at fault just as much, if not more so than the NBA and the Rockets.

    Royce and his agent should have made it known before pen was put to paper that he had so much going on.

    Royce and his agent should have had at least 3 doctors do their own psychological evaluation predraft to present to teams so they knew what they were getting into.

    Royce chose the wrong profession. Yes, everyone should have a chance to live their dreams, but if you suffer from anxiety/panic attacks among other things, you probably shouldn't want to be in one of the most pressure filled industries in the world. Not if you care about your health.

    Royce needs to stop taking to twitter like an angry teenager and deal with these problems like a man with the Rocket's front office. Venting to the general population just comes off as childish.

    Royce knew what he was getting into with NBA protocol. He can act like he didn't but clearly he has had a team of lawyers ready since day 1 to fight his case. He signed the contract to get his money and now is deciding to take his stand against how the NBA handles his mental problems. If he cared about his health so much he would have read the fine print more closely and refused to sign unless concessions were made to accommodate his issues. All people were aware of was his hesitance to fly, not the myriad of other things that have come up. Instead he took the money and now is making his stand. Pretty convenient.

    I understand that as a country, both professionally and socially, we are still learning about what causes certain illnesses and disorders and it will probably be some time before we comprehend exactly what we are dealing with and how to best treat it. However, White has shown that he is intelligent enough to have manipulated this situation with the Rockets and the NBA being the bad guys when he knew from the start that there would be problems.

    I understand why both sides are upset.

    Royce feels his mental conditions have not been handled sensitively enough.

    The Rockets are upset because if they had known this would be such a problem they probably would have never signed him. They will never say that because I'm sure Royce already has that lawsuit draft written up.

    Point is, if people know fully well that they have major illnesses, they need to make those 100% clear before pursuing or accepting a job in any field.

    Employers should be allowed to protect themselves just as much as employees have their own civil rights. Right now, Royce is getting paid. While the Rockets are basically paying someone disability when they thought he would be working.

    If that offended anyone I apologize. Just how I feel after analyzing both sides.
    The fact that you claim to have family that committed suicide or whatever BS you are talking about does not make you right. In fact even if you are telling the truth about your "family" it does not seem that you understand much of what you are talking about.

    Maybe you should ask "your family" about these panic attacks and tell them to tell you how they feel.

    I will say it again. Saying that a person should not choose a specific profession he/she is talented and able at just because the employer does not have proper protocols in place for his/her condition is discriminatory, and insulting. If Royce where to take this to court i have no doubt that the NBA or the Rockets or whoever would come out looking pretty bad, not Royce for chasing his dreams.

    Moreover Royce is not directly involved with his contract negotiations just like any other player. Agents handle all this so if there is any fault it is more with the agent and team. There is an obvious lapse in communication here and the more likely explanation is that the Rockets did not do their homework on him and his conditions and just put a label on it like "fear of flying" and took the risk on him.

    You make it seem like Royce was the only signature required. The Rockets signed the contract just like the agent. Maybe the agent and the Rockets should not have labeled him and said to themselves "he can just take buses if he is afraid to fly" and think of only $$$. He had doctors and a medical history. Not just fear of flying.

    If the Rockets had your line of thinking and though he should not be a basketball player then maybe they would not have drafted him. Obviously SOMEONE thinks he was worth it.

    It is easier to tell a player not to become a basketball player than it is to put the proper protocols in place so that players with his conditions will be well attended to. I forgot thou... this is professional sports... Players are properties in this work environment and not worth the trouble. If this was Lebron that had this issue the Cavs would have jumped through hoops to get him all the help he needs and meet all his demands.

    You have analyzed nothing. You do not have any of the facts. You are ignorant of the situation and claiming to be some superior voice in the situation because you claim to have "family" with some random mental disorders you probably got from the internet. Your post is worthless.

    I do not claim to know anymore than you do. I am merely defending a player whose situation we do not know enough about to judge him. The media will always paint the player as the villain. Always. Keeping an objective mind without the presence of facts is key here.

    Until we see the demands he made of the Rockets that are not being disclosed by either side, we cannot judge him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Max.This View Post
    Brooklyn isn't smoking noone's *** besides the line at the medicare office
    Sig bet with FriedTofuz or whatever his name is (I'm on my phone so it's too tedious to go find his exact name) that if the Nets lose to the Raptors I will delete my account and if the Raptors lose he will delete his (lol Raptors fans are so cute).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjbirds View Post
    ok here is my problem with this whole situation. He was fine early in the season with no problems until he was demoted to the dleague. He can say all he wants its not about that but then why wait til you are demoted? And guess what? you are a piece of meat just like football players and any other professional, not just sports. You are paid to do your job and when you cant do your job anymore you are fired.
    You do not know if it was the demotion itself that started this. You do not know what he goes through. I saw my friend with his condition scream at a waitress because she touched his fork with her bare hands. People with OCD are all about routines.

    You do not know that it was the demotion that set him off or something that happened within the organization that we do not know. You are labeling him as a player and therefore judging him with your preconceived notions of what a player would do when presented with a dleague demotion.

    Fact is that we do not know if it was the demotion itself that set this all off


    Quote Originally Posted by Max.This View Post
    Brooklyn isn't smoking noone's *** besides the line at the medicare office
    Sig bet with FriedTofuz or whatever his name is (I'm on my phone so it's too tedious to go find his exact name) that if the Nets lose to the Raptors I will delete my account and if the Raptors lose he will delete his (lol Raptors fans are so cute).

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    He's not mentally tough enough to play in the nba, its that easy. He does not belong. This is the highest level of sports and an entertainment business and many people dont make it for many reasons. This is the reason royce white will not make it. No amount of political correctness, lawsuits or anything else is going to change this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tymathee View Post
    One, chill out will, two. how do u know what i do or do not know? I'm going to find the article that I saw EXACTLY, what royce is saying he wants from the rockets and how it violates the CBA, so unless you know what i know, do not call me an idiot.
    Find it. Please. I will wait.


    Quote Originally Posted by Max.This View Post
    Brooklyn isn't smoking noone's *** besides the line at the medicare office
    Sig bet with FriedTofuz or whatever his name is (I'm on my phone so it's too tedious to go find his exact name) that if the Nets lose to the Raptors I will delete my account and if the Raptors lose he will delete his (lol Raptors fans are so cute).

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