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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill_Will_24 View Post
    Right. However i think we can agree that professional athletes do not worry about such things. Just because normal people have no choice does not mean he should do what they do when he DOES have a choice.
    Thats my point, he has the LUXURY of that choice because of the MILLIONS hes getting paid for doing nothing. That it prevents him from doing his job is in fact an example of him being "high maintenance". Whether he wants to admit it or not, from the viewpoint of the us commoners, hes a diva.

    So the question becomes whether he is really fighting for what he believes and something that is practical and realistic or whether he is doing this simply to generate awareness for his issues and becomes some cult hero
    I'd rather believe hes just a really special case of mental fragility that we cannot fault. As far as doing this for exposure, I wouldn't know what to think of the crusade. I just think if he were of stronger mind, the example he would have set for those with the disability would be one of triumph rather than a showcase of someone unable to participate in the NBDL.

    If he were to donate a HUGE chunk of his salary to raise awareness, then I would think hes genuine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnewkirk View Post
    thats just it, he cant be the only guy in the nba who has this disorder or who hates to fly but they suck it up because they'r getting paid MILLIONS OF ****EN DOLLARS. this guy is so mentally weak, once he finally gets out of the nba he'l realize what an opportunity he missed.
    Yea but blaming someone for being mentally weak is like blaming someone for being handicap in any other area. Its not his fault (that I know of), complex chemical processes of the brain are a giant unknown to me, all I know is that they can be altered with drugs or a pyschological trigger. For me it was the realization that Ive been a *****, and no offense to Mr.White, but whatever he finds unsafe about the NBDL surely doesn't compare with the many stresses our society (with his illness) deal with in every day life, yet many are unable to take the same approach he does, which is stay home and collect money anyways.

    But again, he could be one of those very special cases. I find it highly unlikely that he could have participated in the NCAA but finds the NBDL to be unsatisfactory but thats just me, and I dont know the guy.
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    Royce White interview on Bryant Gumble premieres Tuesday

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    Daryl Morey’s letter to Royce White

    The “Real Sports” segment on Royce White included screen shots of two documents: the first two paragraphs of what was described as a five-page letter that Rockets general manager Daryl Morey sent to White on Nov. 20, and the outline of the proposed protocols that White would like the Rockets to follow.

    First, the Morey letter:

    Nov. 20, 2012

    Dear Royce,

    This seems to be a good time for us to step back and think about some of the issues that we have been dealing with over the past few months. As we have told you repeatedly, our goals are for you to be fully integrated into the Team and to have a healthy and productive season, both on and off the court. We have been committed to these goals from the day we drafted you, and have acted consistently with those goals ever since. We have bent over backwards to accommodate your requests and help you meet these goals. At our meeting yesterday, I spent significant time addressing your frustrations. I would like to take this opportunity to further explain how your actions and the changing nature of your explanations for your actions has frustrated our attempts to help you meet your goals. The bottom line is that we remain willing to work with you on issues that arise from legitimate medical need, but you have to come to games, practice and everything else that you are able to do, just like any other player.


    To revisit from the beginning, before we drafted you, you told us that your fear of flying was not an issue and that you were ready to be an NBA player. Shortly after we drafted you, you apologized for having to mislead us. You later indicated that you were feeling anxious about flying to the NBA’s rookie orientation program this summer. When you missed your scheduled flight, we arranged for a later flight and for Matt Brase to travel with you, working with the NBA to accommodate your concerns. Shortly after that, we informed you that we thought it would be beneficial for you to meet with Dr. Aaron Fink, a world-renowned psychiatrist, who could provide you with access to an appropriate professional in Houston to help should any situations arise. We gave you Dr. Fink’s contact information and several available times for an interview. You and your representatives responded that you viewed this as a very helpful step and confirmed that you would meet with Dr. Fink. You did not do so.

    The first page of White’s proposed protocols for the Rockets:

    In order for the working conditions to be safe and healthy for someone with mental illness/disability, it is the belief of the medical experts and myself credited for this document that a protocol has to be developed on how to appropriately deal with an individual in respect to mental illness(s)/disabilities from an operational and medical standpoint. A protocol will not only ensure the safe and healthy work conditions for a player like myself with mental illness, but also will lend a system of accountability for both the team and I to use to base what is the appropriate route of action.

    Due to the lack of protocol regarding mental illness, this agreed upon document will serve as an addendum to insert into the medical category of the contract and team rules.

    1. Protocol terms

    a: Acknowledgment: Acknowledging mental illness/disability as being in the category of mental condition.

    i. Recognizing the individualistic nature of mental illness

    1. All mental illnesses unique to each individual despite similar diagnosis.
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocket...o-royce-white/

    Ungrateful POS
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    I'm fine with him being careful about his health problem but my question is, why did he declare for the NBA draft knowing that he would have to play in different cities likely traveling on planes?

    Seems ignorant to me.

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    Well I saw an exerpt when he acknowledged the position he is taking may very well end his nba career before it starts but he is willing to take the risk and take his stance (paraphrasing). So if he understands that then I say more power to him but I still believe he is getting really bad advise and has mishandled the entire situation....


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    I get panic attacks...they suck. That said, he chose to be an nba player which requires traveling. Further I have found medication to be very helpful. I really think he is milking this
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunsfan88 View Post
    I'm fine with him being careful about his health problem but my question is, why did he declare for the NBA draft knowing that he would have to play in different cities likely traveling on planes?

    Seems ignorant to me.
    if he was open and honest from the jump, he probably doesnt get drafted in the first round, or 2nd. its alot of
    money to risk on a guranteed contract. white said his disorder DID NOT prevent him from flying in a dishonest way and IMO should be enough to void the contract if the rockets wanted to lawyer up. they genuinely are still committed to white, he really is a unique ball player, but he is not being forthcoming. if you would see some of his twitter rants you could understand. i think hes a pathological liar, and he's convinced himself that his way is the right way, come hell or high water. sad.


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    I am still not clear on what the hell he wants! I am disappointed. I was hoping in this HBO thing he would have talked more specifically about what he wants. A hired physician with sole focus on his medical needs seems fair but that cannot be all he means by protocols.

    I am thinking there has to be something really unrealistic that he is asking for is Morey says the Rockets are bending over backwards for him


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    He's getting paid to do nothing and likes it. I'd like to see how big of an issue this would be if he had to give back the $
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill_Will_24 View Post
    So am i.

    I was diagnosed with Aspergers at an early age and only people that understand mental disorders can understand what he goes through. When he says it's "unsafe" he does not mean what YOU consider "unsafe". He has issues that you cannot possibly comprehend because you cannot feel what he does.

    Just saying to him take this medication or do that and get over it is not a solution and i agree that the Rockets are viewing him as a commodity and purely from a business standpoint.

    Mental disorders are REAL people! Unless you have one you cannot possibly comprehend what he goes through. Even then you still might not because you do not know what it's like for an athlete like him. It's not just flying. Athletes go through a lot of things that are tough to deal with for a person with his condition.

    Also saying things like he should not have become a basketball player is a ridiculous, insulting, and discriminatory argument. He has obvious basketball talent and is physically gifted and proper protocols would prevent this from even being an issue.

    Maybe the NBA needs to stop thinking of players as properties and start thinking of them as human beings.
    News flash, a lot of young men go through panic attacks and disorders, myself included.
    It was severe enough to the point where I made multiple visits to the ER, numerous visits to all kinds of doctors, specialists until one doctor finally said it's in my head and I refused to believe it. He tried to get me on meds, and I said F that. I'm going to get over this on my own and I did just that.
    Getting and keeping a job at first was difficult, because I couldn't conduct myself during interviews. My heart was pounding and racing, I was feeling jittery, and couldn't put my best foot forward, and lost out on some jobs because of it. But eventually I got over it and I'm doing much better now. I still have attacks every now and then but I just remind myself that it's under control and it goes away after a few minutes.

    If he's not fulfilling his terms of the contract, he should get cut. That's how contracts work.
    He's been coddled long enough. No one is there to feel sorry for him, just like no one was for me. I didn't ask for new protocols to be put in place. I got over that **** on my own. It was rough in the beginning but I understood that if I can't perform during the interview, I wouldn't get the job. If I can't perform my duties, I would be canned. That's life. Get over it. We can't cater to everyone's individual needs.
    He should look into another profession that doesn't require this much travel.

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    At the end of the interview he says that he hopes other NBA teams are paying attention. All he is doing is making it to where no NBA team is ever going to draft someone with mental illness again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill_Will_24 View Post
    If i am a hospital administrator and i hire a talented doctor who cannot walk and the doctor refuses to work because the job does not have protocols in place for him to do his job in a safe manner or get to work safely then there is a problem and simply blaming the doctor is both unfair and discriminatory
    I am not going to cater to the needs of one doctor when 99.999% of the other doctors can perform their job functions just fine the way the current hospital is constructed... unless he can cure cancer.
    unfortunately, this kid isn't dethroning lebron as best player in the league.

    the league has no obligation to change their current protocol to meet the needs of one player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill_Will_24 View Post
    You do not seem to understand. What is unsafe to you is not the same as to him. I do not understand why people cannot see this. It's the problem with the entire thread.
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    Not necessarily. His college had proper protocols in place. They have to since not all their students are athletes. Most of the top companies in the world have protocols in place to ensure the safety of their employees. Some go the extra mile.

    I see no season why the NBA cannot do this as well. It is because players are commodities to the NBA. They have no protocols in place for these issues. They hire a team psychologist and hope for the best

    I consider fluorescent lights unsafe because they contain mercury, and demand that they all be replaced with oil burning lamps in my employer's office because I deem those as more safe.
    I will not show up to work until said changes are made, but still expect to receive a paycheck or else I will sue.

    See how ridiculous this gets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongWayFromHome View Post
    At the end of the interview he says that he hopes other NBA teams are paying attention. All he is doing is making it to where no NBA team is ever going to draft someone with mental illness again.
    Pretty much. I'm sympathetic to his condition, but the Rockets have gone above and beyond making reasonable accommodations for him. It may just be the case that he's not made out to play pro ball, but he needs to be honest with himself and the Rockets if that's the case. I'm a lawyer--if I had public speaking anxieties I would have chosen a different profession. Pro athletes have to go through unbelievable amounts of internal and external stress--it comes with the job, and if Royce can't handle it he needs to quit now.

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