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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    So legalizing drugs would get rid of the drugs coming over from Mexico?

    I think he is saying that drugs aren't the problem. the byproducts of the drug trade as conducted are.
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    I was more pointing out the money we waste on trying to get the drugs out of the US when they enter. If we had a strong border that stopped most of the drugs from entering the use we would save money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    I was more pointing out the money we waste on trying to get the drugs out of the US when they enter. If we had a strong border that stopped most of the drugs from entering the use we would save money.
    I am not saying we should but i don't think that's an issue if you legalize
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    So legalizing drugs would get rid of the drugs coming over from Mexico?
    Actually yes it would to a great extent. If there were legal companies making drugs and growing drugs in the country, that don't have the costs associated with smuggling, the price would be right. No risk of arrest would undercut the market for illegally imported drugs. Here you have a free market solution.

    And a stronger border would decrease the supply and increase the price of the drugs for the criminals. Making the profits even greater. Making it easier for the cartels to spend even more on their smuggling operations. It's a vicious cycle.
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    What is cheaper do you think. Companies in the USA growing and selling there own weed. Having to pay taxes, permits, and employees at least minimum wage probably even more or a Mexican cartel being able to pay his workers barely anything probably no permits and taxes (don't know the Mexican laws for this). Then shipping those drugs into the States and selling them from there. It is just like outsourcing except for weed. People will want the cheapest product they can get.

    For your second paragraph with a decreased supply you will see prices rise which will then force people to stop using or make them spend a lot more. When costs get to outrageous for people they are forced to make tough choices. With the increases border security you can better stop the cartel from entering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    So legalizing drugs would get rid of the drugs coming over from Mexico?
    All the end consumers for the Cartels are over here.

    You can read up on officers and investigative journalists who have spent time in Juarez or Mexico City; you legalize drugs, the Mexican drug wars will end.

    It's no different than alcohol prohibition. All the US gang wars, killings, bootlegging, etc. ended when alcohol prohibition ended. End drug prohibition if you want to end drug gangs and wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    So legalizing drugs would get rid of the drugs coming over from Mexico?
    All the end consumers for the Cartels are over here.

    You can read up on officers and investigative journalists who have spent time in Juarez or Mexico City; you legalize drugs, the Mexican drug wars will end.

    It's no different than alcohol prohibition. All the US gang wars, killings, bootlegging, etc. ended when alcohol prohibition ended. End drug prohibition if you want to end drug gangs and wars.

    The fact that it's illegal is what causes the underground hostility and territorial battles. You don't see CocaCola gangs in Mexico. It'd be silly. Legalize it, regulate it, tax it....all of it.

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    What about Cigarettes they are legal and yet they are smuggled. People will always try to get the cheapest goods possible. Cartels will still be able to have the cheapest goods compared to a store selling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    What about Cigarettes they are legal and yet they are smuggled. People will always try to get the cheapest goods possible. Cartels will still be able to have the cheapest goods compared to a store selling it.
    How many beheadings have there been in Cartel cigarette wars? This is a different sport we're talking about.

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    Who will sell a cheaper product the cartels or companies in the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    Who will sell a cheaper product the cartels or companies in the US?

    Actually, no, Cartels will not be able to offer the cheapest goods. Cartels have to deal with the cost of importation, including losing a very large percentage of their product to seizure.

    It's the exact same way with the criminalization, then the subsequent decriminalization, of Alcohol in the USA in the early 20th century. Organized crime provided the goods, but they were of inconsistent quality, expensive, and delivered in an irregular pattern. As soon as alcohol was legal again, not one single criminal organization could compete by providing alcohol, in comparison to legal establishments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    Who will sell a cheaper product the cartels or companies in the US?
    Can't quite tell. Mass US marketing could drive really competitive pricing, but regulation and taxation could boost the price. Either way, where is a user gonna get their product? At the store on the corner with dozens of options by flashing their id or the one or two crap options from an illegal dealer and risk getting arrested.

    Cartel will lose their customer base in the end. They might be selling to US dealers, but those US dealers are selling around to average citizens who'd give that up for legal buying.

    The power that the Cartel has is they offer a product(s) that millions of people want and virtually none can get legally.

    In California there are people willing to spend $100+ for a card just for the authorization to buy weed at stores at a higher price (better quality and more options) than any dealer. Open it up all the way and there's no way illegal dealers can compete.

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    I just think it will take a lot more then just legalizing it to stop the cartels. Would you make it more legal then say alcohol? Because even though alcohol is legal there are still illegal dealers. Even tv shows about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sota4Ever View Post
    I just think it will take a lot more then just legalizing it to stop the cartels. Would you make it more legal then say alcohol? Because even though alcohol is legal there are still illegal dealers. Even tv shows about them.
    These are people taking up a hobby and doing some minor playing around. There is no alcohol gang/Cartel for a reason; it's legal and people can get it at virtually any store they want.

    There was A LOT of gang activity around alcohol during prohibition. You can look it up. It all went away once it was legalized. This is no different. They have a stranglehold on an entire product market.

    You legalize, regulate and tax drugs the same way you do with alcohol. As far as how it gets handled with our own culture and it spreading around, it'll take time....decades even for it to work out, but it'll work. No different than alcohol. hell there are even still dry counties in the country.

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