2013 - Mariners Lineup

[Rain City]

seager's OBP was .295 w/ bases empty...50 pts higher w/ runners on. 80pts higher w/ RISP....110pts higher w/ RISP and 2 outs.. dude was 8-12 w/ bases loaded!!!!

this tells me seager like to be aggressive. he likes situations where he knows the pitcher has to pitch to him bc he has no place to put him... i dont want an aggressive batter 1 or 2, patience is better...

[jej]

1) I would expect those to even out with a bigger sample size. It pretty much always does, hence why people dont believe in clutch.

2) Thats not really a point in his favor. He should take the same approach no matter where he hits. Be the best hitter he can be no matter what. Its dumb for players to try to adjust their hitting based on where they hit. Just ****ing hit. Create runs.

3) He saw a higher % of strikes and lower % of balls with bases empty than with men on.

[FWBrodie]

He didn't say anything about clutch, it's situational hitting. Pitchers pitch differently in certain situations and hitters approach AB's accordingly, fact.

[Rain City]

it is all the more important for a pitcher to get ahead early in the count w/ RISP.

harold baines was $ w/ RISP, he said he'd look for the pitchers best pitch early in count and think oppo or up the middle... if pitcher missed early likely he was struggling and you can try to draw a walk/look for a ball to drive.

i think this is seager to a t... he'd come up w/ RISP and first pitch or 2 slap something to OF and bring in a run...

its a mentaility thing, his .avg is also better early in count, and i think it suits him better to hit w/ more situations to allow him to be aggressive. i give him credit, alot of guys rely on being mistake hitters, seager seems to handle good pitching better than most on our team so i give him credit for that.

hes still young, maybe he can develop more to work the count better and draw more walks. it'll be interesting to see bc i think w/ morse and morales in he may be penciled in the 2 hole some.

[jej]

I see what you are saying, but there is a very good chance we see regression back to the mean. Very rarely do people have splits that large over bigger samples.

[jej]

He didn't say anything about clutch, it's situational hitting. Pitchers pitch differently in certain situations and hitters approach AB's accordingly, fact.

What the hell is the difference between hitting with RISP and clutch?

And that fact is debatable when he saw more strikes with the bases empty. :shrug"

[FWBrodie]

What the hell is the difference between hitting with RISP and clutch?

And that fact is debatable when he saw more strikes with the bases empty. :shrug"

It's a different group of situations. Hitting with RISP up by 8 runs is not clutch.

[Rain City]

the fact that he saw more balls w/ runners on isnt really surprising. alot of the time when a pitcher has runners on they are struggling to find the strike zone. truth is, it is more urgent for a pitcher to get ahead w/ runners OB... i would claim it to be fact but you got guys like felix, mo rivera, if they are behind in count, they are prolly just as tough to hit still..

seager likes to hit early in count, if he takes w/ runners on, you got to think the pitcher is off and he is going into work the count mode, w/ a pitcher who may not be very sharp.

the point is, nearly every pitch the game situation is changing and batters are making an adjustment w/ each pitch.... seager likes runners on, he dummies it down, knows to look for an out pitch early on, doesnt try to do too much w/ it and slices it into the OF to bring in a run. credit his talent for being able to excel in that situation...

i think for the most part, a stud player is going to be that nobody where you put them (i wouldnt necessarily call seager a stud player yet)... hes not a plate disciplined, strong OB guy that profiles 1-3... hes better 5-6 where he gets more situations to be aggressive.

[Rain City]

what was the point of this thread huh? should be changed to 2013 Mariners Lineups

i do think its ridiculous that saunders gets sat bc of a lefty the day after he hits a crucial HR off a LH specialist. dont get it at all.

i can understand w/ ackley, obviously wedge doesnt have alot of confidence in him and wants to sit him vs tough matchups to protect him so he doesnt start in too big of a hole. not working so far tho.

[Iansnightout]

Yeah, Wedge must not pay attention to the splits. Saunders can hit lefties just fine.

He actually is better vs right handers over his career but I think he may have his splits figured out. He just needs to become an overall better hitter.