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    Obama releases gun-control proposals.

    Here's a list of the 23 executive orders he signed today

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    1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
    2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
    3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
    5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
    6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
    7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
    8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
    9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
    10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
    11. Nominate an ATF director.
    12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
    13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
    14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
    15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies
    16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
    17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
    18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
    19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
    20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
    21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
    22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
    23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

    Here's the proposed legistration

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    Require criminal background checks for all gun sales. (a.k.a. closing the "gun show loophole.")

    Reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban.

    Restore the 10-round limit on ammunition magazines.

    Protect police by finishing the job of getting rid of armor-piercing bullets.

    Give law enforcement additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime.

    End the freeze on gun violence research.

    Make our schools safer with more school resource officers and school counselors, safer climates, and better emergency response plans.

    Help ensure that young people get the mental health treatment they need.

    Ensure health insurance plans cover mental health benefits.
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    why do doctors get to ask patients if they own a gun? And why a 10 round limit on magazines? That has nothignto do with anything substantive. How do they define the term they coined "Assault weapon"? Does that include only weapons with "burst", or fully automoatic, or does that now also include any semi automoatic weapons?

    How will gun training be conducted? By whom? Where? When? Is it mandatory? Do we have to pay for it? Who determiones if we are "trained"?

    I trust Obama and Biden with this as far as I can throw an aircraft carrier. The more this man does, the more I go back to my stance after Benghazi. I do not recognize the legitimacy of a government that tried to disarm its citizens.

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    Dang, that sure is a list full of outrageous, radical, socialist proposals. Life will never be the same again if this passes.....

    We better secede from these proposals or just ignore what we don't like, that's the American way, isn't it?

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    I particularly liked the pic of the Mississippi lawmakers on the clip in this link - 20 largely middle aged white men, and one white woman. Seems about right for the state's demographic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    I do not recognize the legitimacy of a government that tried to disarm its citizens.
    Although, one facepalm really doesn't do this stupidity justice. If I could, I'd post the classic Star Trek 'double facepalm' to show just how facepalm-worthy I find this deliberate misinterpretation of reality. Even if all pending legislation were to pass, which it won't, there would still be over 900 - that's NINE HUNDRED different guns available.

    Join a secessionist movement, or go live in Mississippi.

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    Obama will not have time for comprehensive Immigration Reform. Republicans are going to take the lead on that. The Hispanics will flock to GOP after we do it. 2016 is looking good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    why do doctors get to ask patients if they own a gun? And why a 10 round limit on magazines? That has nothignto do with anything substantive. How do they define the term they coined "Assault weapon"? Does that include only weapons with "burst", or fully automoatic, or does that now also include any semi automoatic weapons?

    How will gun training be conducted? By whom? Where? When? Is it mandatory? Do we have to pay for it? Who determiones if we are "trained"?

    I trust Obama and Biden with this as far as I can throw an aircraft carrier. The more this man does, the more I go back to my stance after Benghazi. I do not recognize the legitimacy of a government that tried to disarm its citizens.
    There are several states, New York being the latest, that define in technical terms what an "Assault Weapon" is, and what they have in common is that they all are semi-automatic weapons that have a specified menu of other items, which the weapon must have one or two of these. So, to be clear, it is not semi-automatic weapons alone, it is that component with other things, such as, but not limited to, flash suppressor, bayonet mount, and other things. To guess what the specific rules that are being proposed is pure guess work at this point, and to get upset over what has not been specified makes no sense to me.

    As far as the 10 round limit, that was the limit on the old ban, but it is more than the 7 round limit in New York. To say it has nothing to do with the subject (this is not an argument, this is a real statement of my understanding) makes no sense to me. The fellow in Aurora had a 100 round drum, and a smaller capacity would have made it harder for him. The guy in AZ was tackled when he was changing clips. It just seems to me it has something to do with it.

    The doctor part has more to do with HIPPA than anything. It allows doctors who are treating patients that they feel might be a threat, to be questioned. This might have made an actual difference (although not likely) in Newtown.
    Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmsterNat View Post
    Although, one facepalm really doesn't do this stupidity justice. If I could, I'd post the classic Star Trek 'double facepalm' to show just how facepalm-worthy I find this deliberate misinterpretation of reality. Even if all pending legislation were to pass, which it won't, there would still be over 900 - that's NINE HUNDRED different guns available.

    Join a secessionist movement, or go live in Mississippi.
    Mods, WTF??? Can we get someone to ban this EDIT "Awesome himan being"? Enough already, for ****s sake.
    Last edited by Patsfan56; 01-16-2013 at 09:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabernetluver View Post
    There are several states, New York being the latest, that define in technical terms what an "Assault Weapon" is, and what they have in common is that they all are semi-automatic weapons that have a specified menu of other items, which the weapon must have one or two of these. So, to be clear, it is not semi-automatic weapons alone, it is that component with other things, such as, but not limited to, flash suppressor, bayonet mount, and other things. To guess what the specific rules that are being proposed is pure guess work at this point, and to get upset over what has not been specified makes no sense to me.
    Cab, you know me better than some in this forum, and my questions are legitimate. My question goes back to how these definitions came to be, and what correlation they have to actually protecting people. I did not know the term had been defined as such, so thank you for clarifying. I disagree with the definition though, but that is another issue.

    As far as the 10 round limit, that was the limit on the old ban, but it is more than the 7 round limit in New York. To say it has nothing to do with the subject (this is not an argument, this is a real statement of my understanding) makes no sense to me. The fellow in Aurora had a 100 round drum, and a smaller capacity would have made it harder for him. The guy in AZ was tackled when he was changing clips. It just seems to me it has something to do with it.
    You're right, it did, but only becasue the person didn't really know what he was doing. If you do know what you are doing, changing magazines can take less than a couple of seconds. The Army issues 20 round magazines. To me, if the magazine argument made much sense, then we would all have been issued 30 round mags or more. That's the only reason why I ask the question.
    The doctor part has more to do with HIPPA than anything. It allows doctors who are treating patients that they feel might be a threat, to be questioned. This might have made an actual difference (although not likely) in Newtown.
    Thanks. This makes sense, and I agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56
    why do doctors get to ask patients if they own a gun? And why a 10 round limit on magazines? That has nothignto do with anything substantive. How do they define the term they coined "Assault weapon"? Does that include only weapons with "burst", or fully automoatic, or does that now also include any semi automoatic weapons?

    How will gun training be conducted? By whom? Where? When? Is it mandatory? Do we have to pay for it? Who determiones if we are "trained"?

    I trust Obama and Biden with this as far as I can throw an aircraft carrier. The more this man does, the more I go back to my stance after Benghazi. I do not recognize the legitimacy of a government that tried to disarm its citizens.
    I truly believe Obama means well, but none of this will make much difference, positive or negative. None of these proposals are "disarming" anyone but criminals will still get guns if they want them. But it's this kind of paranoia that gives us conservatives bad reputations.

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    ^Pat's,

    I understand your point about how fast you could change your 20 round magazines, but, compare your training and experience with a disturbed Asperger's young man, with no military or police training (Newtown) or the kids of Columbine, or, Tucson.... I am capable of being calm in stressful situations, which is why my family and friends always rely upon me, but I completely disagree with your point about magazine size, because I know, I do not have your training, and unless I was a stone cold killer, who lacked formal training, but practiced on his own, it would not be quite as easy as you paint it. Your military training and even more important, experience, make all the difference in the world.

    To be clear, I am not arguing with your ability (and to also be clear, the stone cold killer, without formal training was not meant to be any kind of comparison to you, who I hope you know I respect and honor your service, both military and post military), I am arguing that your perspective is skewed.

    Years ago, I lived in a very large condo complex. On one side of me was a family, where the man and his son were gun enthusiasts. He volunteered as a volunteer sheriff, was a hobbiest gun smith, had his weapons in a vault I could have stored diamonds in. On the other side of me was a woman, who was a guard at a defense contractor. She and her boy friend would have throwing beer bottles at his head arguments. She, as a guard, had a side arm. If either of them shot their weapons, the bullets could have gone through the common wall. I never cared or worried about the first, but celebrated when the second moved.

    I find that the most of the ardent supporters of gun owner rights are closer to the family man, and fail to make any kind of realization that most of us, would never care if all guns were owned by that guy. But, a complete failure to come up with anything, that limits the non - criminal - but - should - not - own - a - gun - because - innocent - people - like me - get - shot - kind - of - people. They exist. I bet you knew or know some.

    I really don't care what you or Randy might own. I worry about the others, the ones who do go to Columbine, Tucson, Aurora, and now, Newtown.
    Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?

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    I like how appointing an ATF director is one of the proposal…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Curtain View Post
    I truly believe Obama means well, but none of this will make much difference, positive or negative. None of these proposals are "disarming" anyone but criminals will still get guns if they want them. But it's this kind of paranoia that gives us conservatives bad reputations.
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    The left coast will never vote that Commie out, so hopefully Congress will have sense enough not to listen to that gun-grabber's proposals.
    Which is it, he means well or the POTUS is a "commie"? I have seen you distance yourself from the worst lies and excesses of the loony right, and yet you call the POTUS a "commie". That really doesn't add up.

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    A majority of the executive orders I don't have any issues with. Also don't think many of them aren't already being done anyway without the executive orders.

    Now as far as the proposed legislation. Lets be honest here most of them don't stand a snow ball's chance in hell of being passed. Even if they are passed would they would stand a Constitutional challenge that you know would come the moment the bill was signed. So to me we haven't moved the ball at all. Instead we got to watch a dog and pony show today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmsterNat View Post
    Which is it, he means well or the POTUS is a "commie"? I have seen you distance yourself from the worst lies and excesses of the loony right, and yet you call the POTUS a "commie". That really doesn't add up.
    First quote seems to be about Obama. The second quote is about Dianne Feinstein. The person who is championing new "assault" gun ban legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    Mods, WTF??? Can we get someone to ban this EDIT "Awesome himan being"? Enough already, for ****s sake.
    Enough? You consistently post discredited right wing disinformation and outright lies, and then you complain when you're called out for your posts?

    I do not recognize the legitimacy of a government that tried to disarm its citizens.
    This is not a statement that has the remotest basis in reality, this is typical loony right, Tea bagger nutjob talk. That is why I made a point of putting 900 in large letters. When you have more than 900 weapons freely available to you your government is not disarming you. And, that 900+ number would only come into play if the Feinstein bill was passed as is, which everyone knows it won't be. Therefore, talking about "disarming" citizens is nothing more than dishonest scare mongering which, sadly, we have become used to hearing from the extreme right.

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