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    A Healthy Bynum/Jrue Combo: Questions for a Championship Caliber Roster

    Hypothetical survey: I want to see what people think it takes to have a true championship caliber roster. I also want to see where people draw the line on the value of Thad/Evan in a package for a legitimate third option. For the purposes of the survey, let's ASSUME that Bynum comes back, proves he can be healthy for at least 60+ games a season and for the playoffs while playing to his potential, and that we resign him.

    Also, for the purposes of the survey, think less about contract lengths and salary matching. Think more about skillsets, talent, positional needs, etc. On the court, would you make these moves if the opportunity presented itself?

    The main objective here is to get a feel for people's point of views on the values of Jrue/Bynum as a combo, the values of Thad and Evan, and what people think is required for a championship caliber team. These concepts are always thrown into conversations on this forum, but I never know for sure of different posters' concrete thoughts on trade ideas, "championship caliber" rosters, and trade values of our own players.

    Here we go:

    1) Can Bynum and Jrue be the two best players on a championship team?
    2) Can you be a championship caliber team with Thaddeus Young as your third best player?
    3) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Rudy Gay?
    4) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Josh Smith?
    5) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Al Jefferson?
    6) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Pau Gasol?
    7) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Eric Gordon?
    8) Would you trade Thad/Evan for David Lee?
    9) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Danny Granger?
    10) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Andre Iguodala?
    11) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Paul Pierce?
    12) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Joe Johnson?
    13) Would you trade Thad/Evan Luol Deng?
    14) Would you trade Thad/Evan Amare Stoudemire?
    15) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Monta Ellis?

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    1. Possibly. But I need to see Bynum in a featured role; which he's not yet had. But this 'third guy' needs to be pretty damn good. (Can you say Iggy?)
    2. No
    3-15. Give me the best player who can play defense...play consistently...and lead. That could possible be Gasol, David Lee, Iggy, Deng.

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    For the record...

    1) Can Bynum and Jrue be the two best players on a championship team? Yes. They can, especially given their youth and potential.
    2) Can you be a championship caliber team with Thaddeus Young as your third best player? Not right now, no. I do think Thad still has room for improvement and the potential to be that type of player in the future, though.
    3) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Rudy Gay? Yes. I think Gay could be a great complimentary wing player to Jrue/Byum and would be a great third option for a championship caliber team.
    4) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Josh Smith? Hell yes. Smith could do great things playing next to Bynum.
    5) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Al Jefferson? Yes.
    6) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Pau Gasol? Probably not. Not at this point of his career.
    7) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Eric Gordon? Probably not. But I would trade either Thad OR Evan for him straight up if given the chance.
    8) Would you trade Thad/Evan for David Lee? Probably not.
    9) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Danny Granger? Yes.
    10) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Andre Iguodala? This one I can't decide on. I need to think about it more.
    11) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Paul Pierce? No. Not at this stage of his career.
    12) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Joe Johnson? Yes.
    13) Would you trade Thad/Evan Luol Deng? Can't decide at this point. Need to think about it more.
    14) Would you trade Thad/Evan Amare Stoudemire? Yes.
    15) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Monta Ellis? No. But I would trade Thad OR Evan for him straight up.

    For the record, I love Thad. I'm very hot/cold on Evan, but I do acknowledge his inconsistencies, and would not hesitate to move him in the right deal. I don't think too highly of his trade value either right now.

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    1) Can Bynum and Jrue be the two best players on a championship team? If the coaches and supporting cast are in place AND they come up big in the playoffs I would say yes.
    2) Can you be a championship caliber team with Thaddeus Young as your third best player? in the right system
    3) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Rudy Gay? yes
    4) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Josh Smith? yes
    5) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Al Jefferson? undecided
    6) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Pau Gasol? tempting but no.
    7) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Eric Gordon? hell no
    8) Would you trade Thad/Evan for David Lee? no
    9) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Danny Granger? yes
    10) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Andre Iguodala? nah mostly because that era of sixers basketball needs to be buried.
    11) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Paul Pierce? no
    12) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Joe Johnson? no
    13) Would you trade Thad/Evan Luol Deng? no
    14) Would you trade Thad/Evan Amare Stoudemire? no
    15) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Monta Ellis? no

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    Thad/Et for Gay, maybe
    That/ET for Iggy, yes but thats prob not realistic.
    Thad/ET for Gordon, maybe, wanna lean towards yes.

    Also wanna add that you should of included OJ Mayo here and again I'd say maybe and lean towards yes

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    1) Can Bynum and Jrue be the two best players on a championship team? maybe, depends on the other pieces
    2) Can you be a championship caliber team with Thaddeus Young as your third best player? no
    3) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Rudy Gay? yes
    4) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Josh Smith? yes
    5) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Al Jefferson? yes
    6) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Pau Gasol? yes
    7) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Eric Gordon? no
    8) Would you trade Thad/Evan for David Lee? no
    9) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Danny Granger? no
    10) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Andre Iguodala? no
    11) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Paul Pierce? yes
    12) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Joe Johnson? no
    13) Would you trade Thad/Evan Luol Deng? yes
    14) Would you trade Thad/Evan Amare Stoudemire? no
    15) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Monta Ellis? no

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    1) Not right now, but I think they should get there. Jrue still has some big improvements to make, and I need to see Bynum play here before being sure about him.
    2) I'm having a tough time with this one. I really don't know. I think no in general, but with in the right situation (ie if the rest of the team is good enough, and fits well enough) then maybe. I'm really keen to see how he plays next to Bynum.
    3-15) No on literally all of them right now. In the offseason, if Bynum is looking healthy and we re-sign him, and depending on how Thad looks next to him, then I'd start to look at some. Iggy would be my first choice, then I guess Josh Smith, and I would take a look at Gay, Granger or Gordon or possibly even Deng. No to the rest. If Bynum can't come back healthy, or leaves, then no to all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyPrior View Post
    1. Possibly. But I need to see Bynum in a featured role; which he's not yet had. But this 'third guy' needs to be pretty damn good. (Can you say Iggy?)
    2. No
    3-15. Give me the best player who can play defense...play consistently...and lead. That could possible be Gasol, David Lee, Iggy, Deng.
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2-ONE-5 View Post
    Thad/Et for Gay, maybe
    That/ET for Iggy, yes but thats prob not realistic.
    Thad/ET for Gordon, maybe, wanna lean towards yes.

    Also wanna add that you should of included OJ Mayo here and again I'd say maybe and lean towards yes
    Would've been a big no on Mayo for me.

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    1) Can Bynum and Jrue be the two best players on a championship team? Yes
    2) Can you be a championship caliber team with Thaddeus Young as your third best player? No. His recent playoff performance is still burned in my memory.
    3) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Rudy Gay? Yes
    4) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Josh Smith? Yes
    5) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Al Jefferson? No
    6) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Pau Gasol? No
    7) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Eric Gordon? No
    8) Would you trade Thad/Evan for David Lee? No
    9) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Danny Granger? No
    10) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Andre Iguodala? Yes
    11) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Paul Pierce? No
    12) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Joe Johnson? No
    13) Would you trade Thad/Evan Luol Deng? No
    14) Would you trade Thad/Evan Amare Stoudemire? No
    15) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Monta Ellis? Hell yes.
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    1) Can Bynum and Jrue be the two best players on a championship team?
    Absolutely
    2) Can you be a championship caliber team with Thaddeus Young as your third best player?
    Possibly, if your pg and c are magic and kareem.
    3) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Rudy Gay?
    Probably not.
    4) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Josh Smith?
    Yes, would want something additional in return.
    5) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Al Jefferson?
    Yes
    6) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Pau Gasol?
    No
    7) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Eric Gordon?
    No
    8) Would you trade Thad/Evan for David Lee?
    No
    9) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Danny Granger?
    Hell naw!!
    10) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Andre Iguodala?
    GTFOH!!!
    11) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Paul Pierce?
    Along with picks or a young guard
    12) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Joe Johnson?
    No. His game puts me to sleep.
    13) Would you trade Thad/Evan Luol Deng?
    Probably not both for him. I'd be actively trying to acquiring him in a package that includes one of those guys right now.
    14) Would you trade Thad/Evan Amare Stoudemire?
    We need to get from under more salary. So add Richardson and hawes and take something additional back in return.
    15) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Monta Ellis?
    Ha!
    Pay attention. You might learn something.

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    1. It depends on Jrue continuing to progress. Right now he isn't good enough to be the second best player on a championship team, but he has youth and time on his side, so he may very well get there. Bynum just needs to get healthy.

    2. No, I don't think Thad is good enough for that. He is probably a 4th option.

    3-15. I wouldn't trade for any of these guys without the guarantee that Bynum will be healthy. If he is healthy, my list would be Gordan (if he can stay healthy), Iggy, Smith, Granger, and Gay in that order. I think that Gordan has the most potential out of all of these guys and would be lethal next to Bynum if he is healthy too. Iggy and Smith would be safer and have more proven production.
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    david lee might do it


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    Do you guys think that Thad/Evan is a good package for this caliber of players? It's hard to tell if say Thad/Evan for Josh Smith would be a decent offer, or if they would hang up the phone on us

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    1) Can Bynum and Jrue be the two best players on a championship team? Yes
    2) Can you be a championship caliber team with Thaddeus Young as your third best player? If Jrue and Bynum are the first and second best, no.
    3) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Rudy Gay? Yes
    4) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Josh Smith? Yes
    5) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Al Jefferson? No
    6) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Pau Gasol? No
    7) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Eric Gordon? Indifferent
    8) Would you trade Thad/Evan for David Lee? Yes
    9) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Danny Granger? Indifferent
    10) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Andre Iguodala? Indifferent
    11) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Paul Pierce? No
    12) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Joe Johnson? No
    13) Would you trade Thad/Evan Luol Deng? Yes
    14) Would you trade Thad/Evan Amare Stoudemire? No
    15) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Monta Ellis? No

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    1) Can Bynum and Jrue be the two best players on a championship team? Yes
    2) Can you be a championship caliber team with Thaddeus Young as your third best player? Yes but your team will have to be built in the mold of the Dallas Mavericks of 2011.
    3) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Rudy Gay? HELL NO
    4) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Josh Smith? Tough one here but I may swing in the direction of no
    5) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Al Jefferson? No. Big time injury concern given his injury history and age. Him and Bynum up front isn't a good look.
    6) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Pau Gasol? No.
    7) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Eric Gordon? Potential based hell yes, in terms of injury concerns I'd probably wanna see him healthy for the remainder of the season before I commit. I guess if we're assuming a healthy Bynum we're also assuming a healthy EG so I'd say Yes
    8) Would you trade Thad/Evan for David Lee? Ify but I'd say yes
    9) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Danny Granger? Yes
    10) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Andre Iguodala? Yes, we'd then have the makings of the best defensive team in the game.
    11) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Paul Pierce? No too old.
    12) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Joe Johnson? No too old, overpaid and overrated.
    13) Would you trade Thad/Evan Luol Deng? No Deng isn't that valuable
    14) Would you trade Thad/Evan Amare Stoudemire? Hell no.
    15) Would you trade Thad/Evan for Monta Ellis? We'd be better off trying to get Lou back. So no.

    Cool Thread.
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