Thats not true.
Most guys are not even picked up by other teams we drafted so bad.
Unless you consider Doug Gabriels stint in NE a success.
Name these players as I can name a lot more in the likes of Stuart Schweigert and Johnny Morant.
Notice how the goal posts moved again"
Now, the question of productivity gives way to the draft spot as the indicator of what a bust is.
Suddenly, the numbers are tied to draft slot and matter less.
Part of the whole point of this thread was to determine exactly what is a bust. People are saying this guys a bust and that guys a bust. I mean, if you lose in the Super Bowl is your whole team a bust?
So, to me, based on most of the "bust lists" I've seen, a bust is usually a first round pick who never really demonstrated that they could play at a high level in the NFL. Of course, it's relative to some people's opinions about what a "high level" would be. And.................there's more to this definition than what I've briefly stated.
Like, I think Gallery was a bust even though we later moved him to guard and played decently there. But we drafted him as a left tackle, paid him as a left tackle, started him as a left tackle, and then suffered miserably at that position cuz he could not hack it. He never demonstrated that he could play that position in the NFL at all.....much less at a "high level."
Plus, OL don't register stats as much as other players do......so that's a little challenging in that domain.
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"Win some games, make the playoffs and show me you got some balls under the bright lights"
I would not include Gallery and Huff in that list because they were starters until they were 30 years old. Even Darrell Russell was a Pro Bowler and would have been a great player if he hadn't gotten into trouble with the league. The biggest bust in NFL history IMO is Jamarcus Russell. He earns that distinction because he held out for more money and he flopped as an NFL QB. Yes even worse than Ryan Leaf. McClain should be on this list.
I don't think Huff has really proven that he can play at a "high level". That's just my opiniom and I'll get slammed for this one for sure. But our secondary as been one of the weakest in the league since Huff has been on the team. He can't tackle worth a ****. Kind of an important skill for a safety.
Gallery busted at tackle......the position we drafted him to play, but became a "decent" guard. I wouldn't consider his play "high level".
^I have to respectfully disagree with you on that
Huff was serviceable at corner but he needs to go back to safety. He hung tough last season, I was proud of him.
I would deff. add Mcclain to that list - might as well throw DHB on it too, he is terrible and still cant catch.
Yeah, after discussing this with you guys at length.....here's the updated list:
1. JaMarcus Russell
2. Todd Marinovich
3. Robert Gallery
4. Rolando McClain
5. Derrick Gibson
6. Bob Buckowski
7. Patrick Bates
8. Rickey Dudley
9. John Clay
10. Michael Huff