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    Better to make the playoffs and have a chance at winning than not make it and have no chance.

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    I get the feeling that most of us here are in our late teens-late 20s. We are the Skip Bayless generation. The fans who want to make something out that it's not. The fans who react to hyperbole and subscribe to the notion that the QB is the whole team. Among many other moronic things.

    Glad to see literally everybody is too smart for this here. Makes me wonder the media we watch is nothing more than a clean version of Jerry Springer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired-Up View Post
    I get the feeling that most of us here are in our late teens-late 20s. We are the Skip Bayless generation. The fans who want to make something out that it's not. The fans who react to hyperbole and subscribe to the notion that the QB is the whole team. Among many other moronic things.

    Glad to see literally everybody is too smart for this here. Makes me wonder the media we watch is nothing more than a clean version of Jerry Springer.
    an entire generation should be offended at you right now fort hat comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinceGully View Post
    Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and Matt Hasselback are the only qb's in the top 40 to have a losing record in the playoffs...(ranked by number of wins)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_sta...layoff_records
    I take exception to this wikipedia article. It has Doug Flutie listed as 0-2 in the playoffs, with one of those losses when he was the Bills QB. If I remember correctly, that's the year the Bills f..... over Flutie big time and started Rob Johnson for the playoff game after Flutie led them to the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcc View Post
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    Funny though. Ask the majority of fans who the All-Time best QB is and they'll (rightfully) answer Joe Montana.
    Why?
    Due to his 4 rings and postseason success.
    So what gives?


    Bottom Line; performing well in the playoffs and on football's biggest stage matters.
    A whole bunch, IMO.
    I would never say Rodgers is better than Montana... Frankly Montana did it in a much better era...Fact is Rodgers is playing superior to even what Montana did but only has 1 ring and now 3 quick playoff exits...Why is that exactly? Because even the best QB in the world cant over come a horrid defense or other major issues on a team because he is one individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    I would never say Rodgers is better than Montana... Frankly Montana did it in a much better era...Fact is Rodgers is playing superior to even what Montana did but only has 1 ring and now 3 quick playoff exits...Why is that exactly? Because even the best QB in the world cant over come a horrid defense or other major issues on a team because he is one individual.
    Lol. I would never say a statement and then completely say the thing I would never say. Haha. Go with it man. In the short sample size, its a valid argument.
    Last edited by 34_for_life; 01-16-2013 at 04:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcc View Post
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    Funny though. Ask the majority of fans who the All-Time best QB is and they'll (rightfully) answer Joe Montana.
    Why?
    Due to his 4 rings and postseason success.
    So what gives?

    Bottom Line; performing well in the playoffs and on football's biggest stage matters.
    A whole bunch, IMO.

    You are proving that everyone picks Montana BECAUSE of the rings (which are team accomplishments). Says a lot. Montana is clearly the more decorated and successful QB. It shouldn't be the say all/end all for a QB ranking argument though since they are just a small piece of the puzzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    I would never say Rodgers is better than Montana... Frankly Montana did it in a much better era...Fact is Rodgers is playing superior to even what Montana did but only has 1 ring and now 3 quick playoff exits...Why is that exactly? Because even the best QB in the world cant over come a horrid defense or other major issues on a team because he is one individual.
    What other issues? And don't say playcalling, bad O-line, and lack of a running game. Rodgers prefers to spread them out in empty back shotgun sets. He's the one who takes unnecessary sacks because he refuses to throw the ball away. Rodgers consistently ignores down and distance in every game. He also checks out of many run plays so he can go deep. He even laughed at the suggestion the Packers had to run the ball before the season started. His exact quotes...

    Everyone wants to know if the Green Bay Packers will be able to run the football this season. Even Greg Jennings said last week on NFL Network it's the biggest question facing the team.

    Aaron Rodgers isn't so worried.

    "Do we need to? I think this is a pass-happy league, so I think it's got to start with the pass with us," the quarterback said Thursday on "NFL Total Access."

    "The run has to be good enough to keep them honest, but we're going to have to throw the football to win games. We're going to have to run it probably a little bit more than we did last year," Rodgers added. "It starts with the passing game with us, and with most teams as well."


    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...me-not-a-worry

    So you can't feel sorry for him. Rodgers wants it this way. He wants to be pass happy and pile up stats. Nothing is stopping him from running the ball when it works. No one is preventing him from extending drives by being patient and taking what defenses give him. And lastly no one is making him hold onto the ball forever. He's the one risking his health with all those extra hits because he doesn't want his precious QB rating to go down. It's his choice to play this selfish and stupid style of football. If he ends up retiring with very little to show for it, it's on him. He's no more a victim of his situation than other greedy QBs before him like Favre and Marino. Hope his empty stats are worth it in the end, because that's all he's going to be remembered for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernDaySavage View Post
    You are proving that everyone picks Montana BECAUSE of the rings (which are team accomplishments). Says a lot. Montana is clearly the more decorated and successful QB. It shouldn't be the say all/end all for a QB ranking argument though since they are just a small piece of the puzzle.
    Montana was destroying number one defenses when they were actually allowed to play. It's funny to see the stats of the modern arena QBs be compared to his. Stick these so-called elite QBs back in that era, and most of them would look pedestrian. Heck, they still struggle today with all the rules favoring them. Modern QBs being the best ever? That's a laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRamForPrez24 View Post
    Interesting stat on QB's in the playoffs: it's a team sport.
    You won't be saying that when Brady retires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    What came first the chicken or the egg?
    Sounds like the rooster did


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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    I would never say Rodgers is better than Montana... Frankly Montana did it in a much better era...Fact is Rodgers is playing superior to even what Montana did but only has 1 ring and now 3 quick playoff exits...Why is that exactly? Because even the best QB in the world cant over come a horrid defense or other major issues on a team because he is one individual.


    damn could you possibly whine about Aaron Rodgers any longer
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRS172 View Post
    What other issues? And don't say playcalling, bad O-line, and lack of a running game. Rodgers prefers to spread them out in empty back shotgun sets. He's the one who takes unnecessary sacks because he refuses to throw the ball away. Rodgers consistently ignores down and distance in every game. He also checks out of many run plays so he can go deep. He even laughed at the suggestion the Packers had to run the ball before the season started. His exact quotes...

    Everyone wants to know if the Green Bay Packers will be able to run the football this season. Even Greg Jennings said last week on NFL Network it's the biggest question facing the team.

    Aaron Rodgers isn't so worried.

    "Do we need to? I think this is a pass-happy league, so I think it's got to start with the pass with us," the quarterback said Thursday on "NFL Total Access."

    "The run has to be good enough to keep them honest, but we're going to have to throw the football to win games. We're going to have to run it probably a little bit more than we did last year," Rodgers added. "It starts with the passing game with us, and with most teams as well."


    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...me-not-a-worry

    So you can't feel sorry for him. Rodgers wants it this way. He wants to be pass happy and pile up stats. Nothing is stopping him from running the ball when it works. No one is preventing him from extending drives by being patient and taking what defenses give him. And lastly no one is making him hold onto the ball forever. He's the one risking his health with all those extra hits because he doesn't want his precious QB rating to go down. It's his choice to play this selfish and stupid style of football. If he ends up retiring with very little to show for it, it's on him. He's no more a victim of his situation than other greedy QBs before him like Favre and Marino. Hope his empty stats are worth it in the end, because that's all he's going to be remembered for.

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    damn could you possibly whine about Aaron Rodgers any longer
    Don't reply yet MTM, let me get some popcorn first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedandGold_35 View Post
    Sounds like the rooster did
    Almost missed this joke. Nice.
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austeezy View Post
    Don't reply yet MTM, let me get some popcorn first.


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