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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Well, been pulled over for driving while black in a white town, a white friend for out of state license plates ( the area has a high drug trafficing) or someone with a Grateful Dead decal on their car on the way to a rainbow gathering, all I can said is welcome to america. I am not saying it is right, but it has been done for so long, I don't see it ever ending.
    I have been well aware of DWB. Racial profiling is just wrong. There is no valid defense for it in our society.
    Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flea View Post
    I've been to 9 different countries outside of America and the US is easily the least discriminatory (this includes the Netherlands).
    I'm sure that that fact alone puts you into a different category than most posters on PSD, so I am genuinely interested to hear what other countries you have experienced, and in particular, what led you to make the above comment. I also hope you're not basing your judgement on only having spent a day or two in any given country. I'm fascinated to hear how Holland is more discriminatory than the US.

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    The people. I've never seen more anti-immigrant hatred than I did in western Europe. Muslims are routinely persecuted, and while I can see why it's an issue given the vast swaths of immigration from the Middle East and northern Africa, it's still racism. Many western European nations have laws that ostensibly protect their nation's culture, but are designed to limit the freedom of immigrants and force assimilation on their own terms. This is just one example. As for Asia? Wow, I've never witnessed a more ethno-centric culture than in Japan (and China as well from what I've heard, though I've not been).

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    Quote Originally Posted by flea View Post
    The people. I've never seen more anti-immigrant hatred than I did in western Europe. Muslims are routinely persecuted, and while I can see why it's an issue given the vast swaths of immigration from the Middle East and northern Africa, it's still racism. Many western European nations have laws that ostensibly protect their nation's culture, but are designed to limit the freedom of immigrants and force assimilation on their own terms. This is just one example. As for Asia? Wow, I've never witnessed a more ethno-centric culture than in Japan (and China as well from what I've heard, though I've not been).
    I can't speak about Asia, but I know from personal experience that foolish and uneducated people are capable of stereotyping and looking down on other races and cultures.

    I lived in Indonesia as a kid, literally half a century ago. Ever since I 'grew up' and became a thinking being, I look back on my behavior towards our local servants (all foreigners had servants) with a mixture of deep shame and embarrassment. I was occasionally a horrible, arrogant, superior, little 11 year old prick. Thankfully, I grew up and learned to become a better person. Some people never grow up in this sense.

    As for Europe, I can talk about that. What you're referring to is more of a cultural phenomenon than any kind of racial discrimination in the classic sense of the word. Black third world immigrants have been successfully integrated and assimilated for many decades now throughout western Europe. I really don't want to get into the whole story about Muslims in Europe because it is a huge subject of its own, and totally off topic here.

    Foreign immigration to the US is not really comparable with Muslim immigration to western Europe. The point being made in this topic is the kind of discrimination that sees you pulled over because your color makes you more suspicious looking than the next guy's color. By and large, that is not the case in my experiences in western Europe. But then, I'm white and look pretty straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmsterNat View Post
    I can't speak about Asia, but I know from personal experience that foolish and uneducated people are capable of stereotyping and looking down on other races and cultures.

    I lived in Indonesia as a kid, literally half a century ago. Ever since I 'grew up' and became a thinking being, I look back on my behavior towards our local servants (all foreigners had servants) with a mixture of deep shame and embarrassment. I was occasionally a horrible, arrogant, superior, little 11 year old prick. Thankfully, I grew up and learned to become a better person. Some people never grow up in this sense.

    As for Europe, I can talk about that. What you're referring to is more of a cultural phenomenon than any kind of racial discrimination in the classic sense of the word. Black third world immigrants have been successfully integrated and assimilated for many decades now throughout western Europe. I really don't want to get into the whole story about Muslims in Europe because it is a huge subject of its own, and totally off topic here.

    Foreign immigration to the US is not really comparable with Muslim immigration to western Europe. The point being made in this topic is the kind of discrimination that sees you pulled over because your color makes you more suspicious looking than the next guy's color. By and large, that is not the case in my experiences in western Europe. But then, I'm white and look pretty straight.
    Please explain this statement to me. Sorry i don't follow.
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    Actually, no. Check other countries immigration laws, and you'll find this statement is false on many levels. I travel frequently, and am asked repeatedly for my papers. If I don;t have them, my *** is on a plane. This is done in many countries, including some in ever so civilized and to be emulated Europe. I can even go so far as to say the customs officials in Kabul are far and away nicer than the nice folks at US Customs when I come home.

    As per the fourth amendment, we have a right against unreasonable search and seizure. They needed an infraction, or reason to stop her. If they didn't, its a violation of her rights, period.

    If we want to fix the immigration issue, one way to start would be to sstop using a group of complete douchebags to write immigration policy. I say this becasue only a douchebag would write the policy we currently have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    Actually, no. Check other countries immigration laws, and you'll find this statement is false on many levels. I travel frequently, and am asked repeatedly for my papers. If I don;t have them, my *** is on a plane. This is done in many countries, including some in ever so civilized and to be emulated Europe. I can even go so far as to say the customs officials in Kabul are far and away nicer than the nice folks at US Customs when I come home.

    As per the fourth amendment, we have a right against unreasonable search and seizure. They needed an infraction, or reason to stop her. If they didn't, its a violation of her rights, period.

    If we want to fix the immigration issue, one way to start would be to sstop using a group of complete douchebags to write immigration policy. I say this becasue only a douchebag would write the policy we currently have.
    This too, America has a very open immigration policy compared with other nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabernetluver View Post
    what do you all think about this.
    I think people should stop going to a state like Arizona and expecting anything good to ever happen (outside of Sedona of course).

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    Haha yeah we need tougher enforcement. More armed officials approaching citizens based on profiling and asking [German Accent]WHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS? VE MUST SEEEEE YOUR PAPERS![/German Accent]

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    You are arrogant as hell. Arizona is one of the most beautiful states in America. My guess is you've never been to Arizona.

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    It's okay, New Mexico is better.

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    This was my big fear when the law was first implemented. An officer having "reasonable suspicion" of you being an illegal alien includes what happened to your friend...someone with a darker complexion minding their own business and acting completely lawfully, being pulled over and harassed.

    It disgusts me that this(among many other things) is deemed acceptable in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoCrew5 View Post
    You are arrogant as hell. Arizona is one of the most beautiful states in America. My guess is you've never been to Arizona.
    Its not arrogance. I'm a road trip guy. Been to lots of states lots of times (including AZ) and yes Geographically its beautiful although I'm not a desert guy so it'd rank lower for me among states. But my comment had more to do with people and politics.

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    If we ever have a PSD party, I'm in favor of Sedona. I love that place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    If we ever have a PSD party, I'm in favor of Sedona. I love that place.
    I can't imagine a PSD party in any city other than Vegas. A bunch of male sports fans? 10% of us would end up dead, 5% married to a waitress or stripper, 50% of us would be bankrupt at the sportsbook and 100% would be hungover.

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