Lionel Hollins takes shot at John Hollinger for trying to trade Rudy Gay

[Chronz]

The Grizzlies don't have to trade Rudy to get under the cap.We could easily dump marreese speights or Bayless and be under.So the they have to trade him to get under is crap and not true at all.

You mean luxury tax threshold, because they have absolutely no chance of getting under the cap without getting rid of a huge contract, probably several of them.

And I dont think you can easily dump Bayless but pairing him with Speights could spark some interest, probably moreso than Gay considering his bargain contract and production. Still lets assume you move both. Thats 7.3M you have to move. Only 2 teams are under the cap (Houston and PHX(BARELY)) I doubt they would agree to absorb those salaries without more compensation (picks/cash) so unless you trade with Houston, that means every other team in the league will have to give back salary in exchance. I have to look up the rules but can they fetch enough of a savings with a 7.1M deal?

What about next year when Tony Allen needs to resign and everyones salary gos up? Do you just continue letting the team degrade for the sake of keeping Gay?

I do think the Grizz end up settling for dumping minimal players unless nobody is willing to help them, in which case thats the only scenario I can see Memphis dumping Gay for peanuts rather than a prospect+financial relief.

Also this is the first year Rudy and ZBO are both healthy and playing together just play the season and trade him in the off-season if you have to.

True but that isn't without its risks either. Sometimes a team has to take a step back to take 2 forward and if they refuse to move now, they may not have the option to take those steps forward and if the team fails to win now, your only raising the salary on a team with limited potential, no means to improve and may even degrade with upcoming extensions being intolerable and you've missed a financial window. It would be one thing if this was a crew playing at an elite level, but I dont think management is that impressed with the results.

Still, unless the right deal comes along, it would be a shame to dismantle the Grizz for purely financial reasons. I think they end up keeping Gay and trying to deal him when the team is eliminated, quite a few teams will have so much cap space that they would be willing to fill it just to get up to minimum. Like the Cavs for one, unless they are serious about preserving their cap space for 2014.

[mjt20mik]

Stats has a place. However, you don't know how players affect morale and chemistry. An example to this was a guy like Jamal Maglore for the Raps last year. His stats were terrible, but his presence and leadership did wonders. You can not measure that in advance stats.

[Tysons_Beard]

Gay is kinda not that special of a player.

smh

[rockbottom2010]

gay is overrated......hes in his 7th season...

[ManRamForPrez24]

Stats has a place. However, you don't know how players affect morale and chemistry. An example to this was a guy like Jamal Maglore for the Raps last year. His stats were terrible, but his presence and leadership did wonders. You can not measure that in advance stats.

Do you think Gay is a paramount leader who's presence does wonders for the Grizz?

[ManRamForPrez24]

smh

Aha! When you put it that way, I guess you're right. I'm wrong. Gay is a phenomenal player!

[Chronz]

I wasn't taking sides, merely pointing out that I don't know enough about advanced stats to form an argument either way. Your post just brought up a thought and I threw it out there.

Gotya

What I want to know is when did the Grizz start looking to trade Gay because IIRC it was long before Hollinger came on board yet hes the one in the thread title. His hiring struck me as Memphis wanting him to do what Morey did for Houston. Its still management making the decision and pulling the strings, they are just letting Hollinger do the heavy thinking on WHO they should trade with.

Im sure if it were up to Hollinger he would just keep the best players available but salary matters and unless your team is seriously contending, no team should think their players are immoveable.

[Hawkeye15]

Au Contraire! I present my favorite NBA Youtube clip of all time:

that dude might have slightly overreacted...

[Hawkeye15]

Still, unless the right deal comes along, it would be a shame to dismantle the Grizz for purely financial reasons. I think they end up keeping Gay and trying to deal him when the team is eliminated, quite a few teams will have so much cap space that they would be willing to fill it just to get up to minimum. Like the Cavs for one, unless they are serious about preserving their cap space for 2014.

This is exactly what I was saying I believe will happen. They are simply exploring offers right now, to see if they can get something that will offer them salary relief while remaining as competitive as they are. I figure he gets moved this summer.

[C_Mund]

Gotya

What I want to know is when did the Grizz start looking to trade Gay because IIRC it was long before Hollinger came on board yet hes the one in the thread title. His hiring struck me as Memphis wanting him to do what Morey did for Houston. Its still management making the decision and pulling the strings, they are just letting Hollinger do the heavy thinking on WHO they should trade with.

Im sure if it were up to Hollinger he would just keep the best players available but salary matters and unless your team is seriously contending, no team should think their players are immoveable.

That makes sense, production alone doesn't necessarily mean value, and the balance between the two is swung even more when efficiency is brought into the fold. I bet JH has already figured out ten trades that would give them similar metrics with far fewer salary restrictions and it's up to everybody else in the office to make one work while still keeping their own vision and team chemistry in tact.

[kenzo400]

that dude might have slightly overreacted...

How? They lost the game because of that jump shot.

[Hawkeye15]

How? They lost the game because of that jump shot.

acting like that in your living room, nobody around, ok.

acting like that with tons of people around you, while taping the game, not ok.

[Vinylman]

This is exactly what I was saying I believe will happen. They are simply exploring offers right now, to see if they can get something that will offer them salary relief while remaining as competitive as they are. I figure he gets moved this summer.

maybe, but if they are seriousl about being under the LT threshhold this year they gotta get rid of someone (speights). The LT impact is not just the fact that they have to make payments its that they don't get any of the other LT payments kicked back to them... the number is significant

[mzgrizz]

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They shouldn't have given him that big contract in the first place. When he got that contract they were criticized and the nation sucked air through its teeth. Rudy Gay is a good player. He's athletic, runs the floor well, he can shoot it from mid range and the 3, he plays good defense. He's good in the clutch.

He is a good freaking player, and I like him a lot, but he makes too much damn money. He makes star money, and he's not a star player.

That's what happens when the billionaire owner makes the money decisions then decides to sell. Maybe Pera didn't do his due diligence enough and now he wants to showcase Hollinger

[mzgrizz]

You mean luxury tax threshold, because they have absolutely no chance of getting under the cap without getting rid of a huge contract, probably several of them.

And I dont think you can easily dump Bayless but pairing him with Speights could spark some interest, probably moreso than Gay considering his bargain contract and production. Still lets assume you move both. Thats 7.3M you have to move. Only 2 teams are under the cap (Houston and PHX(BARELY)) I doubt they would agree to absorb those salaries without more compensation (picks/cash) so unless you trade with Houston, that means every other team in the league will have to give back salary in exchance. I have to look up the rules but can they fetch enough of a savings with a 7.1M deal?

What about next year when Tony Allen needs to resign and everyones salary gos up? Do you just continue letting the team degrade for the sake of keeping Gay?

I do think the Grizz end up settling for dumping minimal players unless nobody is willing to help them, in which case thats the only scenario I can see Memphis dumping Gay for peanuts rather than a prospect+financial relief.




True but that isn't without its risks either. Sometimes a team has to take a step back to take 2 forward and if they refuse to move now, they may not have the option to take those steps forward and if the team fails to win now, your only raising the salary on a team with limited potential, no means to improve and may even degrade with upcoming extensions being intolerable and you've missed a financial window. It would be one thing if this was a crew playing at an elite level, but I dont think management is that impressed with the results.

Still, unless the right deal comes along, it would be a shame to dismantle the Grizz for purely financial reasons. I think they end up keeping Gay and trying to deal him when the team is eliminated, quite a few teams will have so much cap space that they would be willing to fill it just to get up to minimum. Like the Cavs for one, unless they are serious about preserving their cap space for 2014.

Ok you've convinced me