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  1. #61
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    So Scott Boras does in fact run the Nationals franchise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorGato View Post
    I wonder if the Dodgers made the signing how much more venom/backlash there would be...

    Boras is a living legend. Soriano and to an extent, the Nats, are probably very happy right now. Reliever prices are exploding as teams start to realize starters don't give innings like they used to and that 7-9 area needs to be covered well.
    Giants fans would be up in here trolling hard core if that happened just like it will next year when they sign cano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giants73756 View Post
    So about 2 closers per year struggle in non-save situations? Sounds about right. When there are dozens of closers I would expect a couple of them to have bad innings sometimes. There will be just as many who pitch better in non-save situations as there are who pitch poorly.
    The article didn't survey all of the closers It merely gives a few examples. I'm too lazy to compile stats on all of the closers but I'm willing to bet there are other closers who struggle in non-save situations. Rafael Soriano, for example, isn't named in the article but compare his 2010 (closing - 1.73 ERA), 2011 (set-up - 4.12), and 2012 (closing - 2.12) stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theslick1 View Post
    I don't know, Jeffy. I found this article from mid-season 2012:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

    Some stats cited (ERA in save situations / ERA in non-save situations):

    Valverde (2011) 0.55 / 5.79
    Valverde (2010) 1.44 / 4.55
    C. Perez (2011) 2.75 / 4.18
    Motte (2012) 1.84 / 6.00
    Papelbon (2012) 0.00 / 6.48
    Capps (2011) 2.75 / 6.07
    Santos (2011) 1.95 / 4.79
    How much opportunity did those guys get to pitch in the non-save situations, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fly View Post
    How much opportunity did those guys get to pitch in the non-save situations, though?
    The article gives those stats in terms of innings pitched. They obviously don't pitch often in those situations, but even the closers themselves acknowledge that there's a difference between pitching when the game is on the line and when it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    Giants fans would be up in here trolling hard core if that happened just like it will next year when they sign cano.
    Oh look, Dodgers fans playing the victim card even though this thread has nothing to do with them.

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    Boras strikes again...

    It's an overpay for the Nats but it does improve their bullpen. He was the best reliever on the market and they needed to replace Sean Burnett. Plus he'll take a load off their other arms.

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    Way too much money. He will help the Nats out for sure, though.

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    The Nats are going for it WS or bust.

    It might not be the smartest acquisition but at least they are trying to win.

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    So Storen isn't the closer? Trade Bait for SP?

    The Nats are building for depth.

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    Nats are all in! This is going to be an exciting year. It does make me wonder if they will trade Morse and Storen for a catcher upgrade and some prospects though to make up for losing the pick and the Gio/Span trades.

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    Washington looks scary good.

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    i bet clippard is traded now honestly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinstripe power View Post
    i bet clippard is traded now honestly
    Yeah I think there is a fair chance he is. I'm sure he wants to close. His numbers weren't too good last year, but he seemed like he was getting a lot less lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theslick1 View Post
    I don't know, Jeffy. I found this article from mid-season 2012:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

    Some stats cited (ERA in save situations / ERA in non-save situations):

    Valverde (2011) 0.55 / 5.79
    Valverde (2010) 1.44 / 4.55
    C. Perez (2011) 2.75 / 4.18
    Motte (2012) 1.84 / 6.00
    Papelbon (2012) 0.00 / 6.48
    Capps (2011) 2.75 / 6.07
    Santos (2011) 1.95 / 4.79
    Again, single season samples, which are based on 20ish innings each.

    You can't use those sample sizes to determine anything.

    If you break down all pitchers and their careers, basically everyone performs the same in and outside of save situations. It doesn't make the pitcher behave or pitch any differently.

    There are a few guys that have had extremes, like Latroy Hawkins, and maybe it's possible that some individuals it could affect, but it's pretty absurd to think a guy who pitches in front of 40k people on a nightly basis and has pitched at every level and in front of millions on tv would somehow be unable to perform in one inning but could magically do so in another inning. It's not some new insurmountable pressure that they have not already faced at some point in their lives/careers. Not to mention, most were closers in the minors already.

    The more innings you get, the more guys perform the same no matter what inning it is.

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