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    Doesn't this essentially give the Nats 3 closers? Storen, Clippard and now Soriano. Gotta think they'll make a trade before ST.

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    Why, having 3 closers is good.

    That means you can pretty much lock down the 7,8,9 innings in the baseball game.


    IF Soriano pitches like BJ Ryan did his first year than it's worth it.

    That's a big and very unlikely if though
    Last edited by Vampirate; 01-15-2013 at 04:47 PM.

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    double post

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    Quote Originally Posted by VRP723 View Post
    I only used the Dodgers as an example. It annoys me just as much with other teams. Teams with good GM's can seemingly do no wrong.
    The Rays signed James Loney.

    If they are planning on sticking with him and they don't sign a catcher.....then yes, a good GM can do wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Clipper View Post
    And the Yankees get a pick
    32nd pick too! That's not bad considering the Nats would have picked at 29

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    Longtime reader, first post. Just wanted to say this is a solid pickup. According to the Washington post article, should they choose, the nats can keep all three over the next 2 years, especially if soriano doesn't succeed early(I believe he's gonna be great, personally) can keep him below 120 starts and deny the third year. (He has yet to make 120 starts in two consecutive seasons so far) Lose a late 1st, but seeing as this is not the nats of 3 years ago, it's encouraging to see the clear progression of the team to not only contender, but borderline favorite willing to strike while the iron is hot. Sorry, all following posts will be nowhere close to this long. Just needed some flourish for this one.

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    The Nationals are ****ing stacked. God what a scary team.

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    this is a guy thats been paid closer money to be a reliever/setup guy....Only Scott Boras can get his players this kind of money.

    A Questionable move by the Nationals....Its a decent move in the short term, as they are a contending team, BUT in the long term, Its a touchy situation by giving up a draft pick to get a player that probably shouldnt be getting the money that he is.

    Soriano is a great reliever, but I wouldnt want to be paying him that type of money either

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    this is a guy thats been paid closer money to be a reliever/setup guy.
    Isn't a closer just another type of reliever?

    Soriano is a great reliever
    This is all that really matters.

    I wouldnt want to be paying him that type of money either
    Luckily enough someone that can afford it will do the paying. You just have to watch and react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampirate View Post
    Why, having 3 closers is good.

    That means you can pretty much lock down the 7,8,9 innings in the baseball game.
    In theory, yes. In practice, a lot of closers don't pitch well in non-closing situations. Soriano was pretty inconsistent as an 8th inning guy in 2011 for the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theslick1 View Post
    In theory, yes. In practice, a lot of closers don't pitch well in non-closing situations. Soriano was pretty inconsistent as an 8th inning guy in 2011 for the Yankees.
    I believe that has more to do with anything.....a lack of sample size.

    Overall, pitchers perform the same no matter what inning they are being used in. There are outliers of that, but overall it's remained the consistently the same. Guys don't perform differently based on what inning they are pitching during.

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    Honestly, just simply relief pitching is the last need a team has to spend big money on a free agent.

    While it worked year 1 with BJ Ryan, the years after were not kind.

    We all know how well Heath Bell worked out for Miami.

    You don't spend big on closers unless it's for someone like Mariano or someone that is HOF good like that.

    That money that went to Heath and BJ Ryan could have been used to upgrade a position in the team that would likely impact 90 and more games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I believe that has more to do with anything.....a lack of sample size.

    Overall, pitchers perform the same no matter what inning they are being used in. There are outliers of that, but overall it's remained the consistently the same. Guys don't perform differently based on what inning they are pitching during.
    I don't know, Jeffy. I found this article from mid-season 2012:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

    Some stats cited (ERA in save situations / ERA in non-save situations):

    Valverde (2011) 0.55 / 5.79
    Valverde (2010) 1.44 / 4.55
    C. Perez (2011) 2.75 / 4.18
    Motte (2012) 1.84 / 6.00
    Papelbon (2012) 0.00 / 6.48
    Capps (2011) 2.75 / 6.07
    Santos (2011) 1.95 / 4.79

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    Quote Originally Posted by doyerfan59 View Post
    1) LOL at people who doubted Boras
    2) That's a huge contract
    I would have switched 1 and 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theslick1 View Post
    I don't know, Jeffy. I found this article from mid-season 2012:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

    Some stats cited (ERA in save situations / ERA in non-save situations):

    Valverde (2011) 0.55 / 5.79
    Valverde (2010) 1.44 / 4.55
    C. Perez (2011) 2.75 / 4.18
    Motte (2012) 1.84 / 6.00
    Papelbon (2012) 0.00 / 6.48
    Capps (2011) 2.75 / 6.07
    Santos (2011) 1.95 / 4.79
    So about 2 closers per year struggle in non-save situations? Sounds about right. When there are dozens of closers I would expect a couple of them to have bad innings sometimes. There will be just as many who pitch better in non-save situations as there are who pitch poorly.

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