Pau Gasol Concussion Timetable

[Vinylman]

Oh dear...just when we're about to accept hearsay testimony that driving a car has something to do with being cleared to play professional basketball after sustaining a concussion, someone who actually knows what they're talking about has written an actual article after talking with other people who also know what they're talking about:



Oh...and this:



There's more. But you have to be willing to read and learn, which is obviously a lot harder than talking out of your ***.

once again you take up valuable band width for no apparent reason...

what you have posted is all true but has nothing to do with Pau and the incosistencies in reporting that he is driving yet still suffering from a concussion symptons...

no one is diagnosing Pau... just pointing out the inconsistencies in his behavior

You seem to think it is appropriate to give him the benefit of the doubt... no problem...

However, are you saying he should be driving a car if he can't pass a concussion test?

just curious

[GailGoodrich]

once again you take up valuable band width for no apparent reason...

what you have posted is all true but has nothing to do with Pau and the incosistencies in reporting that he is driving yet still suffering from a concussion symptons...

no one is diagnosing Pau... just pointing out the inconsistencies in his behavior

You seem to think it is appropriate to give him the benefit of the doubt... no problem...

However, are you saying he should be driving a car if he can't pass a concussion test?

just curious

The point -- which you seem blind to -- is that you're the one who claims to have established a basis for these "inconsistencies", which, upon closer examination, have no actual scientific basis when applied to playing professional basketball.

If the criteria for passing the NBA's new and rigorous post-concussion exam goes beyond tasks like driving a car, then yes, it's entirely possible that Pau may be physically/mentally able to drive, but not able to play.

The relationship between driving a car after a concussion and returning to "normal activity" is founded on old science and presumes that "normal activity" doesn't involve elbowing Chandler out of the low block. Given how much money these athletes make and are worth to their franchises, it's even possible that players may be held out for an extended period to make sure that successive injuries don't make matters even worse.

Giving a player an extra week or two to recover -- even if they're symptom free -- may be cheap insurance against a second concussion that knocks them out for a year.

[GailGoodrich]

And while we're on the subject, equilibrium has little or nothing to do with brain function. It can be symptomatic of injury to the vestibular system as much as it may indicate problems with the CNS. By the same token, having perfect equilibrium is also possible when you have a brain bleed, brain bruise, or cracked skull.

Being able to balance is not definitive of being healthy. Although it may be good enough to send you back into a football game. Particularly if you don't have a guaranteed contract.

[K0BE8124]

i hope Blake never comes back, seriously worst player i have ever seen and nobody can tell me any differently(kwami brown might beat him tho idk (50/50)

anyways i hope pau comes back 100% and we well see how bad he ****ing sucks and trade him because he wont have anymore stupid excuses....

But i want him Healthy and Playing first because he will not have any excuses

[laker2dodger]

Concussions are no joke.

[Atticus Finch]

No 2 concussions are identical in terms of what the person feels and what they are capable of doing the next day or even next week.

Because your ability to react may be slower after a concussion, ask your health care professional when you can safely drive a car, ride a bike, or operate heavy equipment.

http://www.cdc.gov/concussion/feel_better.html

Basically means that some people, while still having symptoms of a concussion, can be cleared to drive safely.

The NBA's concussion policy was implemented before the start of last season. It includes baseline cognitive and physical testing that give a measure of what level players must return to before they can play after a head injury. It is complex and thorough enough that every player must progress through a series of stages that includes first elevating the heart rate on a stationary bike, then adding repetitive head movement through jogging and finally competing in team drills.

"I think they are over the top," Gibson said, "but being as though concussions are very serious and I know what it's like to have one, I think it's smart to make sure that a guy is not just saying, 'I want to play.' They're actually taking care of the players and putting their foot down on that issue."

But with the NBA's concussion policy, it's impossible to work around the system -- despite wanting to "play hurt."

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....s_players.html

The NBA doesn't let you just lie to pass your concussion test. Otherwise guys like Daniel Gibson and Anthony Davis wouldn't have missed any time because of their recent concussions.

[Vinylman]

The point -- which you seem blind to -- is that you're the one who claims to have established a basis for these "inconsistencies", which, upon closer examination, have no actual scientific basis when applied to playing professional basketball.

[B]If the criteria for passing the NBA's new and rigorous post-concussion exam goes beyond tasks like driving a car, then yes, it's entirely possible that Pau may be physically/mentally able to drive, but not able to play.[/B]

The relationship between driving a car after a concussion and returning to "normal activity" is founded on old science and presumes that "normal activity" doesn't involve elbowing Chandler out of the low block. Given how much money these athletes make and are worth to their franchises, it's even possible that players may be held out for an extended period to make sure that successive injuries don't make matters even worse.

Giving a player an extra week or two to recover -- even if they're symptom free -- may be cheap insurance against a second concussion that knocks them out for a year.

Keep blathering... it is comical... what you post has nothing to do with the protocol which is very straightforward:

If a player is diagnosed with a concussion, he will have to complete a series of steps to confirm that he's healthy enough for competition. Once he is free of symptoms, the player must make it through increasing stages of exertion - from a stationary bike, to jogging, to agility work, to non-contact team drills - while ensuring the symptoms don't return after each one. Then the neurologist hired to lead the NBA's concussion program needs to be consulted before the player is cleared.

based on this protocol... which is the official protocol... are you saying that if he can't pass one step of that protocol that he should be driving a vehicle...

if you don't see the inconsistency in that there is no point to the discussion.

Again, you want to focus on what could happen if he comes back... I have already posted in this thread that **** can happen and that he is probably even more vulnerable than before...

unfortunately that doesn't have anything to do with the incosistency of him driving a car and not being able to pass a rudimentary protocol...

[Vinylman]

No 2 concussions are identical in terms of what the person feels and what they are capable of doing the next day or even next week.


http://www.cdc.gov/concussion/feel_better.html

Basically means that some people, while still having symptoms of a concussion, can be cleared to drive safely.





http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....s_players.html

The NBA doesn't let you just lie to pass your concussion test. Otherwise guys like Daniel Gibson and Anthony Davis wouldn't have missed any time because of their recent concussions.

bolded is your opinion and clearly not supported by your link

[Vinylman]

Here is a Dr. who does this for a living... you be the judge

http://www.brainline.org/content/200...oncussion.html

A lot depends on the severity of your son’s concussion or whether or not he has persistent symptoms, but here are some general guidelines.

First, the criteria for returning a player to the field for active play following a concussion are just as relevant for returning to driving. However, it is important to consider not only the types of symptoms that your son had following his concussion, but also how long they lasted and whether they have resolved. It's also important to find out if your son had any neurocognitive testing? That testing would help determine whether he is back to his pre-injury status or close to it.

In general, a child or adolescent with a concussion should not return to play immediately after sustaining a concussion. Athletes who continue to play or exercise are more prone to a longer recovery time, greater risk of development of post-concussion-disorder-type problems, and "second impact syndrome." If your son is still relatively early out from his concussion and continues to have symptoms such as headaches, dizziness, or nausea upon increasing his physical activity then he is neither ready to return to play nor to drive. Continuing aggressive exercise can actually increase symptoms or delay recovery from concussion. If you son is still sensitive to noise, light, or vestibular stimulation (problems with dizziness, poor regulation of postural muscle tone, and inability to detect quick movements of the head), then he probably should not be driving.

In simple terms, no athlete should return to competitive sports until he or she is symptom free — both at rest and with exercise — and follow-up neurocognitive testing is once again normal. These symptoms would include sleep problems, fatigue, problems with concentration or memory, depression or anxiety. If any of these symptoms persist then driving would not be advisable. If there is a question about your son's level of impairment and, in particular, persistence of symptoms that may impact driving, then a formal rehabilitation oriented driver’s evaluation may be an appropriate next step.

[Atticus Finch]

bolded is your opinion and clearly not supported by your link

Deductive reasoning. If the center for disease control is telling me to ask my dr if its ok to drive after a concussion that implies that in some cases it is ok to drive afterwards, why else would they advise you to ask your dr if its ok? Otherwise the CDC would say "do not drive under any circumstance while experience concussion like symptoms." Big difference between the two

[Tytanium 24]

Every game that Gasol missed, except for the last one against the Cavs, either Nash or Howard was out as well.

So yeah... I'll give you some new info

Lakers are 1-0 when only Pau Gasol is out.

[ILLUSIONIST^248]

It seems to me that pau is about to be traded. If he's not that just shows you what a big ***** he is.

[Vinylman]

Deductive reasoning. If the center for disease control is telling me to ask my dr if its ok to drive after a concussion that implies that in some cases it is ok to drive afterwards, why else would they advise you to ask your dr if its ok? Otherwise the CDC would say "do not drive under any circumstance while experience concussion like symptoms." Big difference between the two

again... you can read into what you want but what they are posting are general guidelines and they always default back to the Dr.

If you think a Dr. is gonna clear you for driving if you are experiencing concussion symptoms then you really don't understand malpractice.

[myqntab]

Deductive reasoning. If the center for disease control is telling me to ask my dr if its ok to drive after a concussion that implies that in some cases it is ok to drive afterwards, why else would they advise you to ask your dr if its ok? Otherwise the CDC would say "do not drive under any circumstance while experience concussion like symptoms." Big difference between the two

dont confuse vinylman with logic...his point is obviously more valid than yours...if he says you cant drive with a concussion...you cant...and if pau is driving, he should be playing....screw the doctors and the league rules...PAU SHOULD BE PLAYING BECAUSE HE CAN DRIVE!!!!

[Vinylman]

dont confuse vinylman with logic...his point is obviously more valid than yours...if he says you cant drive with a concussion...you cant...and if pau is driving, he should be playing....screw the doctors and the league rules...PAU SHOULD BE PLAYING BECAUSE HE CAN DRIVE!!!!

yep... some fine PSD analysis...

well done