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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosiercubsfan View Post
    I am working off the basic assumption that each government program grows yearly at 8-10%. If they are growing at that level cutting each budget 10% would flat-line the growth for the year. And even if they only grow 8% a year your only talking about them actually cutting 2%. When we are going through tough economic times I don't think its out of the question to ask each of these departments that aren't self funding to do with what they did last year.

    Not asking for draconian sized cuts just making the government live within its means a little bit. The debt ceiling fight isn't over money that has already been spent but about money that is earmarked to be spent to grow said programs.
    Speaking for the NIH here that is not the case. The budget has been flat for awhile now and none of you guys are factoring in inflation which for research has out paced any funding raises for awhile now.

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    the difference betwen the spending Bush did and Obama has done is that Obama had a far more economically fragile situation to deal with. Bush spent like a maniac, and didnt care one wit. Neither did a majority of Republicans.

    there were out there heroically saying this is BS!, but most simply fell in line like the Rs always do.
    Obama has spent to stave off economic collapse, and the Trillion dollar annual deficit, needs to be eliminiated first, but the only place Rs want to look is at social programs.

    this is a game. Rs have been trying to bankrupt the Federal government for 70 years so that they can eleiminate these programs.

    Before SS and medicare/medicade, something like 70% of seniors couldnt afford to care for themselves.
    thats what we will return to without these programs.

    If we want to cut healthcare costs then stop supporting for profit ,free market healthcare.
    THAT i what is bankrupting us, not the programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosiercubsfan View Post
    I am working off the basic assumption that each government program grows yearly at 8-10%. If they are growing at that level cutting each budget 10% would flat-line the growth for the year. And even if they only grow 8% a year your only talking about them actually cutting 2%. When we are going through tough economic times I don't think its out of the question to ask each of these departments that aren't self funding to do with what they did last year.

    Not asking for draconian sized cuts just making the government live within its means a little bit. The debt ceiling fight isn't over money that has already been spent but about money that is earmarked to be spent to grow said programs.
    I don't know how big and quick of cuts our economy can absorb. Whether we like the spending or not they have been factored into the economy and as such need to be taken out more delicately than I think those levels will accommodate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephkyle7 View Post
    the difference betwen the spending Bush did and Obama has done is that Obama had a far more economically fragile situation to deal with. Bush spent like a maniac, and didnt care one wit. Neither did a majority of Republicans.

    there were out there heroically saying this is BS!, but most simply fell in line like the Rs always do.
    Obama has spent to stave off economic collapse, and the Trillion dollar annual deficit, needs to be eliminiated first, but the only place Rs want to look is at social programs.

    this is a game. Rs have been trying to bankrupt the Federal government for 70 years so that they can eleiminate these programs.

    Before SS and medicare/medicade, something like 70% of seniors couldnt afford to care for themselves.
    thats what we will return to without these programs.

    If we want to cut healthcare costs then stop supporting for profit ,free market healthcare.
    THAT i what is bankrupting us, not the programs.
    All I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses.

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    ^ excuses for what? This admins spending?
    there is no excuse for spending a trillion dollars a year more then we take in.But IMO, that was never the intent regardless of how he has been painted. The economic collapse put us in a horrible place, now there were those who said F it let it all fall down and well build again, Maybe they were right,I mean that is the free market right?
    but the Free market capaitalists, who championed the market all the time were the ones that wouldnt let it happen.
    Come on Crew, what do you think goes on in Wash?
    Do you think these guys are military/technology/enviormental/economic/scientific/socilogists?
    they are lawyers for the most part.
    they choose people to advise them on these topics and what to do.
    that is why Bush was such a complete failure.he trusted all the wrong people and they played him for the idiot he was.

    Obamas no Fool, but even he doesnt know what the hell is going on in the big machine, he needs mechanics to explain stuff.

    If we had let the whole thing collapse and start over we might have been a lot better off going forward, but it wasnt Obama who didnt let that happen.

    Now as far as cutting our spending,as Ive pointed out many times but youve never addressed.we provide far more corporate welfare then social welfare.
    tax breaks, subsedies,and government contracts that pay 10 times the cost of the service or item.
    you never hear republicans or capitalists complain about that.
    do you know why?
    becasue the can invest and make a profit from that welfare.
    welfare to the people is out of their grasp.Do you not understand that?

    Why are they against our welfare programs?
    when old and poor people get sick where do they go?
    The emergency room.
    why is that the prefered model for Republicans and Capitalists? becasue they can invest in private hospitals and then collect tax money as payment for services when poor people cant pay,or simply pass expense on to us in higher costs to cover their losses.

    when you expand the Government system, their is less opportunity for corporate profit.
    Thats all this arguement is about,thats what ever arguement is about. Do you really think that wealthy people in gated communities,with private security and home security systems worry about home invasions?
    they could care less about gun control,they care about the 200% stock growth gun manufacturers make...wake up bro.

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    I hate to agree with the President, but Republicans arguing not to raise the debt ceiling is absolutely absurd.

    When their party had power, Republicans raised the debt ceiling 11 times. Now that Obama is in office, many of these same people are arguing NOT to raise the debt ceiling, which comprises a majority of spending that they themselves voted on. It makes no sense whatsoever(unless they want a worse economy which can benefit them politically).

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    Threatening to not raise the debt ceiling, in and of itself, will cause the cost of the debt to go up. That is exactly what happened when last the GOP did just that. The downgrade, in our debt ratings, caused the interest rates to go up.

    If one wants to control spending, the propose the exact places that should be cut. Name the program and be specific about the cut. The GOP right wing makes general statements (raise the age on Social Security for example) without making a specific way they want it done, and a specific amount this would cut. You cut spending by cutting spending not failing to pay your already in existent obligations.
    Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?

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