Yes, they can compete.
If you get Upton with the package above (I seriously doubt it, but let's play along), and you sign Wilson and Hairston and maybe a 5th starter type, it can happen.
If everything breaks right (again, playing along) you have a solid IF that is both reasonably good defensively and above average on offense, an above average catcher (if TDA comes out and hits well), a well above average CFer, and some decent role players around the team. You also have some solid young pitchers giving you a shot to win every night.
It would be possible to compete for a playoff spot in that scenario.
It's already been established that we aren't going after Bourn because we don't want to surrender our first round pick. But it's entirely possible we get the guys I mentioned. I don't know why some of you are so reluctant to answer the question. If we get these players, which we may, we IMO are good enough to compete now. Once again, that's assuming our players play like they should and don't get hurt. We have to assume that because injuries could happen to anyone on any team and you can't predict that. Also, what if Davis or Tejada have a breakout year? Wy do we have to factor in players getting worse, but not players getting better? All I'm saying is, I think we could compete with this team.
By the way, D'Arnaud will be up after a month. The only reason he's not starting in the MLB now is so we can keep him for an extra year. I'm pretty sure Buck was last in the league in batting average. Obviously he's not our starting catcher for 2013. Just until D'Arnaud is ready.
even if we get upton and bourn we wont be good enough to win the WS... next year when we have financial freedom we could also sign some free agents then make a run
I'm just that damn nice
"Gods always behave like the people who make them."
This idea that you have to fix everything or fix nothing is troubling.
This line of thinking doesn't make a lot of sense.
I'm all for being conservative within reason when it comes to FA signings and what is given up in trades. But I think the limits of reason are breached when people take the stance that any single move that does not guarantee a World Series is a move not worth considering.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
But there is no reason to believe they can't find 2 good OFs in the next year and a half.
I think there are some posters here that believe that's an impossible task given their inactivity in FA but i can understand not giving Hairston 2 years at 32 years old coming off what seems to be a career year or giving Michael Bourn 5 years when they are rebuilding and would have to give away the 11th pick in the draft next year.
Conservative is a good approach with fringe players.
It's obviously not a good approach when it comes to more impact guys because most guys of Ellsbury's or Hart's ability (for example 2 possible impact FA in 2014) when healthy are gonna command significant over payment in a new contract.
If they want to compete for the playoffs, they have to commit to building a team around these young guys giving them ample opportunity to succeed.
If they aren't, then we are in for a lot more losing in the coming future.
Last edited by metswon69; 01-14-2013 at 05:35 PM.
The problem is that the Mets have run out of valuable marquis players with expiring contracts to swap for young gold, Sandy's specialty. So the available pathways to fill the remaining holes are either the trade route, which Sandy has come up short in the immediate past, or the free agent route, which Sandy has been either unable or unwilling to explore. I dunno, maybe that changes.
Or maybe it doesn't. Alas, so close but so far.
"Gods always behave like the people who make them."
With the Rangers already saying they are willing to make a deal for Upton centered around Mike Olt, we'd have to make a better offer than Syndergaard, Flores, Familia, and Valdespin.
Valdespin is pretty much just a throw in. Any team can find a player of equal value for basically nothing. And with Familia most likely just being a RP, his value isn't THAT great.
Lots of people are also assuming Harvey is going to be a dominant SP this yr because he was great for 10 starts last yr. This is far from a sure thing.
Young pitchers who have early success, very frequently struggle seriously shortly after.
Anyone pay attention to what happened to Ricky Romero last yr? He literally went from being one of the best pitchers in the AL in 2011 to being one of the worst in 2012.
Even a guy like Verlander started off his career very well, then had a big setback in 2008 pitching to a near 5.00 ERA, with less K/9, more BB/9, ect.... took him a few yrs to really find and keep his dominating stuff.
I think people assuming Harvey will have a season ERA around 3.00 are going to be very disappointed. He may be a great ace one day, but very few SP's burst onto the scene and are consistantly dominating from day 1 like Strasburg was.
I think he'll have a Matt Moore-type season. But he's capable of better, even next year.
Look at how good Chris Sale was last year.
I know he is LH but LHP usually take longer to develop and he was outstanding last year in his rookie season.
Harvey has that type of electric stuff and seems to have the makeup to succeed quickly in the majors which was evident last year.
It's really not much of a stretch to me to expect 12+ wins out of Harvey next year with a mid 3 FIP, a strikeout per inning, and good peripherals besides.
Last edited by metswon69; 01-15-2013 at 12:27 AM.
I will miss RA but the Mets still have a decent rotation without him.
Gee is underrated, Niese to me has potential to improve, Harvey should pitch well, and whoever they bring in for the 5th spot should be serviceable. Whether that be Hefner, Young, Pavano etc till Wheeler comes up.
The biggest question mark to me is Santana.
All we can hope for is he pitches well enough to be dealt for something of value in return.
Last edited by metswon69; 01-15-2013 at 12:26 AM.
We competed last year for half a season. If we get Upton, Hairston, Wilson, and Young, we may be even better than last season and can hopefully compete for the entire year.