NHL ReDraft Lounge 5.0: TO has a boner

[The Top Shelfer]

I am surprised my team has finished in the bottom of the division every time. I think I have an excellent defense with a pretty solid offense, and an elite goaltending tandem. To each their own I guess

[Johann]

I'd love to know how the Islanders are better then me. The only team in the division that is close with me, are the Penguins. They aren't even first.

Goalies:
1. Devils 2. Penguins 3. Flyers 4. Islanders 5. Rangers

Forwards:
Issues/Good.
Devils: Not a very strong 2nd line. Not very physical 3rd/4th line... Very strong 1st line
Penguins: Heatley has resurged playing with Parise/Koivu. Seguin/Bourque don't compare... Good 2nd/3rd lines
Flyers: Laich isn't a 1C. Penner is debatable on the 2nd line... Decent 1st + 2nd lines
Islanders: Briere isn't that great at C.... Good top 3 lines
Rangers: Is Ryan Jones a 1st liner? Not really.... Pretty good top 3 lines

Islanders, Penguins/Devils, Rangers, Flyers

Defense:
Devils: I dislike your bottom 4, minus Scandella. Is OEL a number 1? Yet to be seen, but I'll take it. Tyutin's a decent #2
Penguins: Mitchell is good; maybe a number 2. Greene is meh. Garrison is good. Gilbert is also pretty good.
Flyers: All offensive defensemen, minus Michalek. Needs a shutdown guy. Liles isn't a #2
Islanders: Keith is a #1, top 5/7 dman. Good pairings.
Rangers: Big 1st pairing. Comparable to the Devils 1st. Decent 2nd and 3rd pairing.

Islanders, Penguins, Rangers , Devils, Flyers

All in all:
Islanders
Penguins
Devils
Rangers
Flyers

[jakub]

Goalies:
1. Devils 2. Penguins 3. Flyers 4. Islanders 5. Rangers

Forwards:
Issues/Good.
Devils: Not a very strong 2nd line. Not very physical 3rd/4th line... Very strong 1st line
Penguins: Heatley has resurged playing with Parise/Koivu. Seguin/Bourque don't compare... Good 2nd/3rd lines
Flyers: Laich isn't a 1C. Penner is debatable on the 2nd line... Decent 1st + 2nd lines
Islanders: Briere isn't that great at C.... Good top 3 lines
Rangers: Is Ryan Jones a 1st liner? Not really.... Pretty good top 3 lines

Islanders, Penguins/Devils, Rangers, Flyers

Defense:
Devils: I dislike your bottom 4, minus Scandella. Is OEL a number 1? Yet to be seen, but I'll take it. Tyutin's a decent #2
Penguins: Mitchell is good; maybe a number 2. Greene is meh. Garrison is good. Gilbert is also pretty good.
Flyers: All offensive defensemen, minus Michalek. Needs a shutdown guy. Liles isn't a #2
Islanders: Keith is a #1, top 5/7 dman. Good pairings.
Rangers: Big 1st pairing. Comparable to the Devils 1st. Decent 2nd and 3rd pairing.

Islanders, Penguins, Rangers , Devils, Flyers

All in all:
Islanders
Penguins
Devils
Rangers
Flyers

Not a very strong 2nd line? Vertseeg has averaged 50 points in the past 2 seasons. Anisimov has averaged 40. Gionta was injured, but before the injury he had 2 30 goal seasons in a row, averaged 46 points. How is that not strong? You don't need goons to win, my 3rd line is pretty elite. My 4th line is looking great too, I can row 4 lines at any given moment. My forwards are also great defensively, which is great. While the Islanders top 6 has no responsible forwards on the other side of the rink. They have 3 in their bottom 6, that's it. How is my bottom 4 -Scandella "disliked" . Potter/Morris/Kuba have averaged 20+ minutes, the depth on my defense is a strong spot for me. I don't even need Morris or Potter to give me that 20, but just in case, they are capable of doing so. The Islanders bottom 4 is flat out awful. Greene is not a top 4 defender. So considering he will have 3 bottom parers, in front of a shaky goalie, with a forward core that is not good defensively makes it very hard to believe the Islanders will be a top team in the division.

[jakub]

OEL carried the Coyotes defense on his back, what more do you want to see?

[Johann]

OEL carried the Coyotes defense on his back, what more do you want to see?

Great. So how about you make a PR now, full with details, and make sure everyone is happy with the results.

Cheers,

Johann

[kmo429]

How the hell did deal 45 get passed? TC is so complacent its not even funn y. That's the epitome of a rape trade

[jakub]

Great. So how about you make a PR now, full with details, and make sure everyone is happy with the results.

Cheers,

Johann

When I do PR, I give in depth explanations. I also use statistics.

[TO Rapz]

How the hell did deal 45 get passed? TC is so complacent its not even funn y. That's the epitome of a rape trade

See the last about 10 pages of explanation.

[kmo429]

The Islanders bottom 4 is flat out awful. Greene is not a top 4 defender. So considering he will have 3 bottom parers, in front of a shaky goalie, with a forward core that is not good defensively makes it very hard to believe the Islanders will be a top team in the division.

My bottom 4 is flat out awful? Im sorry, but that is the most absurd thing Ive ever heard. Joni Pitkanen is a top pairing guy playign as my #3, awesome offensively, underrated defensively. Greene is awesome defensively and a great physical presence and leader. I don't think the Kings would give an A to a ****** defenseman, a team that has so many great players on it. Keith isa top 5 dman, Pitkanen gets a ton of minutes, Greene wont ned to play more than 17 or 18 minutes a night and on the PK to be a really solid #4 and fit with Pits. Add to that tat Stralman is a great start to a 3rd pair, and your assessment is just abotu as far off as any bad assessment ever. Weak defensive forward core? First of all, that just cant be a real argument to say a team cant win its division, right? Maybe that can be a plus for a team, but not a minus. My 3rd line is as good a 3rd lien as you can see, the wings being awesome defensively, and Bozak being underrated by you, certainly. McClement, also a top 10 defensive forward. David Jones is a great defensive forward. 5 of my 10 forwards are good 2 way forwards, ranging from slightly above average to some of the best in the league. The remainder of my forwards? Sedin, Briere, Grabovski, Prospal, Clarkson... Im not worried. In front of a shaky goalie? You mean... 5th all tiem in save % for goalies with over 300 games played? .916 or better save% in 5 of 6 seasons? Carried the Wild on his back when all they had was Koivu and a weak D corps? Still in his prime?


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[kmo429]

I'd love to know how the Islanders are better then me. The only team in the division that is close with me, are the Penguins. They aren't even first.

Someone's very humble. You're obviously a redraft god that youve dominated this division so much and no team even is as close to as good as you even though I have a better 2nd, 3rd, and 4th line, a close 1st line, a better 1st and 2nd pair, an unfinished 3rd pair, and a good goalie tandem

Im not close though. NBD, you win, best team in redraft history you have.

[KingsnQueens7]

Could use some help with my pick please...

[Celts22]

Could use some help with my pick please...

I can help.

[jakub]

My bottom 4 is flat out awful? Im sorry, but that is the most absurd thing Ive ever heard. Joni Pitkanen is a top pairing guy playign as my #3, awesome offensively, underrated defensively. Greene is awesome defensively and a great physical presence and leader. I don't think the Kings would give an A to a ****** defenseman, a team that has so many great players on it. Keith isa top 5 dman, Pitkanen gets a ton of minutes, Greene wont ned to play more than 17 or 18 minutes a night and on the PK to be a really solid #4 and fit with Pits. Add to that tat Stralman is a great start to a 3rd pair, and your assessment is just abotu as far off as any bad assessment ever. Weak defensive forward core? First of all, that just cant be a real argument to say a team cant win its division, right? Maybe that can be a plus for a team, but not a minus. My 3rd line is as good a 3rd lien as you can see, the wings being awesome defensively, and Bozak being underrated by you, certainly. McClement, also a top 10 defensive forward. David Jones is a great defensive forward. 5 of my 10 forwards are good 2 way forwards, ranging from slightly above average to some of the best in the league. The remainder of my forwards? Sedin, Briere, Grabovski, Prospal, Clarkson... Im not worried. In front of a shaky goalie? You mean... 5th all tiem in save % for goalies with over 300 games played? .916 or better save% in 5 of 6 seasons? Carried the Wild on his back when all they had was Koivu and a weak D corps? Still in his prime?


Right

Just cause a team is good, doesn't mean all their contracts will. Keith is not a top 5 D anymore. Greene is a bottom paring D. He's a bottom parer for the Kings and he does well there. He plays those minutes, and you're attempting to get more out of him, which doesn't work like that. Stralman is not a good start to the 3rd pairing. No team other then the Rangers wanted him, and he makes tons of mistakes, often the blame on defense from Ranger fans. Your 3rd line is solid. 5 out of 10? You consider Bozak to be good defensively? Top 10 defensive forward based off of what exactly? Shaky was the wrong word, but those numbers don't mean alot when he had the trap for his career.

[jakub]

Someone's very humble. You're obviously a redraft god that youve dominated this division so much and no team even is as close to as good as you even though I have a better 2nd, 3rd, and 4th line, a close 1st line, a better 1st and 2nd pair, an unfinished 3rd pair, and a good goalie tandem

Im not close though. NBD, you win, best team in redraft history you have.

Nope, it's really the Penguins or I for first place. I have a better first line, it's not even close. It's also better on defense too. Your second line is better, mines better defensively. My 3rd line is better on both sides of the rink. My 4th line is better. 1 player against 2, lol. First pairing goes to you, 2nd pairing goes to me, 3rd pairing I obliterate you. My goal tending is superior to yours. All my defenders are more then capable of 20+ minutes, you only have 3 of those.