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View Poll Results: What scheme best fits the Raiders for the future

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  • The PBS (Power Blocking Scheme)

    50 87.72%
  • The ZBS (Zone Blocking Scheme)

    7 12.28%
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishedz View Post
    LOL...

    He's a bust by your definition Lololololol....

    He has not played a full year

    And he has not put up a single season worthy of top five consideration or warranting his draft position and salary. He's a bust...by my definition, and yours.

    I'll bet any Raider fan a sig bet if we poll he's a bust in the NFL forum...the consensus among rational human beings is he is a bust.
    So asking the average know nothing fan proves it?

    There was once a time when the whole world thought the earth was flat too.

    All it meant was that the whole world was wrong.

    Why don't we ask NFL GM's instead?

    How about NFL defensive coaches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximo View Post
    Football dumb?

    McFadden was drafted in 2008 with the 4th pick. He was then promptly inked for 6 yr $60 million. Which makes him the second highest paid runningback in the league behind Adrian Peterson. When the Raiders signed him he was hyped as the most complete Raider runningback since Marcus Allen.

    McFadden has averaged 666 yards rushing, 289 yards receiving and 3.6 TD's per season as the second highest paid runningback in the NFL. Scheme has nothing to do with it, even in 2011 when he looked pretty impressive at times he couldn't stay healthy. If I am football dumb for labeling him a bust based on how upside down the Raiders are in terms of what they pay him and the production it nets, so be it.
    This isn't FF.

    You have numerous definitions and provide a moving target.

    Explain to me the basis of your claim scheme is irrelevant.

    Please elaborate as I would love to have that discussion.

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    These are real busts.

    Vaughn Dunbar
    Keith Mc Cants
    Ja Marcus Russell
    Ryan Leaf
    Brian Bosworth
    Patrick Bates
    Bob Buzcowski
    Eugene Chung
    Danny Farmer
    Sean La Chapelle

    Those are busts.

    A guy is not a bust simply because he didn't live up to the hype or was not surrounded with adequate talent around him.

    A bust is out of football after 3-4 seasons of doing nothing.

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    Everyone knows DMC hasnt lived up to his expectations. Thats not even arguable.

    I do however think he deserves another shot at being the featured back. Afterall, its not his fault his team is (was?) the worst managed football team in the NFL. Its been thru numerous coaches, while dealing with a talentless roster.

    So how is it fair to single out DMC? To be honest, he's been the only player that has shown flashes of being able to single handedly perform at a high level. Now imagine DMC behind a properly built and well coached offense? Thats a situation I would definitely invest in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximo View Post
    Okay. When one thinks bust, one thinks Tony Manderich, Ryan Leaf or Art Schlichter. McFadden has played at a high level when healthy, the weather is good and he wakes up in a good mood. He has however been a disappointment. Fair enough?
    yes, that's the only, totally meaningless point i'm trying to make

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Swami View Post
    Not really.

    How is it fair that your expectations were unrealistic?

    A back is only as good as the blocking he gets.

    Fair enough?
    haha......it was fair enough for me, but i guess not for Da Swami.......haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Swami View Post
    This isn't FF.

    You have numerous definitions and provide a moving target.

    Explain to me the basis of your claim scheme is irrelevant.

    Please elaborate as I would love to have that discussion.
    McFadden's salary is comparable to Adrian Peterson, yet his production falls short of Ahmad Bradshaw's. We can debate the definition of the term bust all night, but McFadden is grossly overpaid for what he done, he has underachieved, he is a bust in my book, you call it what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximo View Post
    McFadden's salary is comparable to Adrian Peterson, yet his production falls short of Ahmad Bradshaw's. We can debate the definition of the term bust all night, but McFadden is grossly overpaid for what he done, he has underachieved, he is a bust in my book, you call it what you want.
    The whole offense stunk.

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    Lol, 5 years, approximately $50M later, and we've got 3300 yards and 18 TD's (ooh, almost 4800 yards and 23 TD's if we include receiving stats..yeah, that makes the difference).

    Lol, and this guy still has supporters. Meh, no accounting for taste I guess. But it just goes to show that fan is just short for fanatic.

    -Stork

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    Pro football is a business not a popularity contest. I'll bet that the McFadden supporters also consistently loose money playing slot machines at the casino.

    Same type of thinking.....
    "An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject"

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    49ers dont run the ball well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by themadstork View Post
    Lol, 5 years, approximately $50M later, and we've got 3300 yards and 18 TD's (ooh, almost 4800 yards and 23 TD's if we include receiving stats..yeah, that makes the difference).

    Lol, and this guy still has supporters. Meh, no accounting for taste I guess. But it just goes to show that fan is just short for fanatic.

    -Stork

    This....


    Specifically the money invested.

    Swami, I for one supported the man up until this year, you know that. But when you draft someone that high, invest that much money, and the return is 700 yards a year that is a bust period.

    Does it suck he gets hurt? Yes...

    I do not except the talent excuse or scheme excuse. You put Barry Sanders, AP, WP, Bettis, Martin, LT, or any of the other great RB's we've enjoyed the last few decades here and they would perform.

    Some folks step up to the spotlight and deliver regardless of the talent that surrounds them. They make everyone better, while the supporting cast and coaches propel them to greatness. Sure Emmitt Smith woudl not have had the numbers he did without that team, but he would've performed at a high level. DMC has yet to do that period. After five years, 50mil, and a top 5 pick, we have yet to see anything that suggests he was worth the pick and the money; thus, setting our team back 5 years....


    That is a bust period. My guess is GM's and Coaches would say the same. It sucks, but it is reality. I'm amazed so many people just cannot grasp that. Even if he does stay healthy the rest of his career, the chances of him putting out more then 2-3 good seasons or 1-2 amazing seasons is slim to none.

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    When hue bought thd power blocking to the team, Dmac was a beast. Under cable Dmac was average, under knapp even worst. Point is canle and knapp ran zone, hue ran power and he was a beast. Now were back to the power and I guarantee he will be a beast again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximo View Post
    McFadden's salary is comparable to Adrian Peterson, yet his production falls short of Ahmad Bradshaw's. We can debate the definition of the term bust all night, but McFadden is grossly overpaid for what he done, he has underachieved, he is a bust in my book, you call it what you want.
    I gaurantee you AP would get 1500+ in this offense easy.... No excuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal22 View Post
    When hue bought thd power blocking to the team, Dmac was a beast. Under cable Dmac was average, under knapp even worst. Point is canle and knapp ran zone, hue ran power and he was a beast. Now were back to the power and I guarantee he will be a beast again.
    You do realize, we did not switch to PBS until Hue took over as HC and brought in Wylie....


    His 1100 season was under Cable

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