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    Official 2000 team

    C - Posada
    1B - Pujols*
    2B - Utley
    3B - A-Rod
    SS - Jeter
    LF - Bonds*
    CF - Beltran
    RF - Ichiro
    Bench - Manny

    Rotation
    1. R. Johnson*
    2. R. Halladay*
    3. P. Martinez
    4. J. Santana
    5. C.C. Sabathia

    Closer - Mariano Rivera*


    * It was unanimous

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    I'm curious to know how the bench player was calculated. Vlad didn't get in the starting lineup but do those votes count towards the bench player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariner4life View Post
    I'm curious to know how the bench player was calculated. Vlad didn't get in the starting lineup but do those votes count towards the bench player?
    Every vote every player got that didn't make the starting squad counted.

    In this case, Vlad had 4 votes, but Manny had 5. So Vlad was very close, Ichiro had 5 as well.

    Vlad could have been the bench player if he had 1 more vote. He then would have tied Manny and then Manny would and he would have had a one day discussion on here about who was more deserving.

    Or rather, we would have had a Vlad vs Ichiro discussion, and then a loser of Vlad and Ichiro vs Manny discussion.

    Chipper Jones also had 4 votes btw.
    Last edited by Jeffy25; 01-21-2013 at 02:17 AM.

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    I'l go:

    C: Posada
    1B: Pujols
    2B: Utley
    SS: ARod
    3B: Jones (wanted to go Chavez until I looked at what Chipper did. Guy put up .364/.470/.574 in 2008!)

    OF: Bonds
    OF: Beltran
    OF: Ichiro

    Johnson
    Santana
    Halladay
    Sabathia
    Martinez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Every vote every player got that didn't make the starting squad counted.

    In this case, Vlad had 4 votes, but Manny had 5. So Vlad was very close, Ichiro had 5 as well.

    Vlad could have been the bench player if he had 1 more vote. He then would have tied Manny and then Manny would and he would have had a one day discussion on here about who was more deserving.

    Or rather, we would have had a Vlad vs Ichiro discussion, and then a loser of Vlad and Ichiro vs Manny discussion.

    Chipper Jones also had 4 votes btw.
    Thanks for the info. Its funny how Manny got on the team and nobody had him in their starting lineup. But it makes sense.

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    I am pretty shocked that NO ONE listed Ripken. If you look at the numbers below I think its pretty clear you have to rule out Jeter as the best SS of the 1990s, since he was only in 4.5 years of the 90's his numbers just cant match up. As for Ripken/Larkin the number bear out what most people already know, Larkin hit for a higher average, Ripken for more power. The issue comes in that needs to be addressed though is that if Larkin had a .21 better average, how come he has over 100 fewer hits? The answer is simple he missed a lot of time (compared to Ripken over the decade). So when comparing how valuable these two guys are, you have to average in the stats of Larkin's backup who was forced to play games in his absence. The orioles never had to worry about that with Ripken as he played every game. They never had to play a poor performing shortstop for 10 games because of an injury like the Reds had to do with Larkin. That and the fact that Ripken was a far superior defensive shortstop should give him the edge here.
    Ripken: 1589 hits, 768, runs, 198 hr, 827 rbis, .282 ba average, 2528, (10 as starts, 1 mvp, 4 ss, 2 gg)
    Larkin: 1447 hits, 834 runs, 137, hr, 639 rbis, .303 ba average, 2229 tb (9 as starts, 1 mvp, 5 ss, 1 gg)
    Jeter: 807 hits, 486 runs, 63, hr, 341 rbs, .306 ba average, 1180 tb (2 as reserve, 1 ROY)

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    Quote Originally Posted by terp12354 View Post
    I am pretty shocked that NO ONE listed Ripken. If you look at the numbers below I think its pretty clear you have to rule out Jeter as the best SS of the 1990s, since he was only in 4.5 years of the 90's his numbers just cant match up. As for Ripken/Larkin the number bear out what most people already know, Larkin hit for a higher average, Ripken for more power. The issue comes in that needs to be addressed though is that if Larkin had a .21 better average, how come he has over 100 fewer hits? The answer is simple he missed a lot of time (compared to Ripken over the decade). So when comparing how valuable these two guys are, you have to average in the stats of Larkin's backup who was forced to play games in his absence. The orioles never had to worry about that with Ripken as he played every game. They never had to play a poor performing shortstop for 10 games because of an injury like the Reds had to do with Larkin. That and the fact that Ripken was a far superior defensive shortstop should give him the edge here.
    Ripken: 1589 hits, 768, runs, 198 hr, 827 rbis, .282 ba average, 2528, (10 as starts, 1 mvp, 4 ss, 2 gg)
    Larkin: 1447 hits, 834 runs, 137, hr, 639 rbis, .303 ba average, 2229 tb (9 as starts, 1 mvp, 5 ss, 1 gg)
    Jeter: 807 hits, 486 runs, 63, hr, 341 rbs, .306 ba average, 1180 tb (2 as reserve, 1 ROY)
    This is the All Decade 2000s team not the 90s one.

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