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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbal Christ View Post
    to say that the NFL doesnt have a love affair with Manning would be naive.
    They also have a love affair with Brady and Rodgers though too. The media slobbers over all 3.
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    Is anyone besides Richard Sherman a first-team all pro, but not a pro bowler?

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    And the manning **** sucking continues, Rodgers was better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FortDetroit View Post
    Ding ding ding.

    Some of that rivalry stuff runs deep for those players.

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    The explanation on how and why Calvin Johnson wasn't a unanimous All-Pro selection.

    Calvin Johnson All-Pro slight explained by Tim Ryan
    By Kevin Patra NFL.com
    Published: Jan. 14, 2013 at 06:33 a.m

    The man who deemed Calvin Johnson's obliteration of Jerry Rice's single-season receiving yards record unworthy of an All-Pro nod explained his reasoning.

    "Of course he had a great year and he is a great receiver, but I look at more than statistics and I thought a couple of other receivers had a better season, Brandon Marshall and A.J. Green," Tim Ryan, analyst for Fox Sports and Sirius Radio, told The Sports Xchange.

    "Johnson was targeted a lot and was often the only thing the Lions had going, but he also dropped a lot of passes and they did lose 12 games," he continued. "I felt Marshall helped Chicago win games and Green helped Cincinnati win games. I think that is more important than statistics."

    Megatron received 49 of 50 votes, far from the biggest media voting injustice of the past week.

    Ryan is entitled to his opinion and frankly his choices are worthy candidates. We are also entitled to point out the foolishness in keeping a receiver with 1,964 receiving yards off his ballot.

    Ryan points out that Johnson was targeted 'a lot'. It's true that Megatron had the most targets in the league, 205. However it was only 11 more targets than Marshall and Reggie Wayne, who each were targeted 194 times. For those 11 targets, Johnson gained 456 more yards than Ryan's All-Pro selection, Marshall.

    While Marshall and Green each had 11 touchdowns to Megatron's 5, the Detroit Lions receiver was tackled inside the two yard-line six times.

    Sorry, forgot, we're disregarding statistics.

    It's also true that Megatron was the only thing the Lions offense had going, which makes his accomplishment that much more impressive. He saw coverages no other receiver could have handled, and some -- not all -- of his drops were a product of his ability to get to the ball lesser men would have no shot at (similar to how a shortstop with range might have more errors merely because he can get to balls others can't).

    In the red zone he was often triple or even quadruple covered, leading to many easy scores - you're welcome Mikel Leshoure.

    At the end of the day Ryan's omission seems more an indictment of the Lions' disappointing season. Adrian Peterson and J.J. Watt led their teams to the playoffs, thus deserving the unanimous vote.

    Ryan discounts Johnson's numbers because his team lost 12 games, yet Marshall didn't exactly lead his team to a playoff bid. Failing to make the playoffs after starting 7-1 only gets you lower draft position, and your head coach fired.

    We'd be remiss not to note that Ryan played his entire NFL career for the Chicago Bears, but of course that had nothing to do with his decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    The explanation on how and why Calvin Johnson wasn't a unanimous All-Pro selection.



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    I love this one.

    Tim Ryan, the former Bears defensive tackle and current FOX analyst who was the lone All-Pro voter not to select Lions receiver Calvin Johnson, says he cares more about wins and losses than catches and yards.

    Although neither Ryan nor FOX’s PR department responded to requests for comment from PFT, Ryan did tell The Sports Xchange that he chose Bears receiver Brandon Marshall and Bengals receiver A.J. Green over Johnson in large part because Marshall and Green won more games.

    “Of course he had a great year and he is a great receiver, but I look at more than statistics and I thought a couple of other receivers had a better season, Brandon Marshall and A.J. Green,” Ryan said. “Johnson was targeted a lot and was often the only thing the Lions had going, but he also dropped a lot of passes and they did lose 12 games. I felt Marshall helped Chicago win games and Green helped Cincinnati win games. I think that is more important than statistics.”

    But here’s the thing: Football is a team sport. Measuring a wide receiver by how many wins and losses a team has doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, because no wide receiver wins or loses a game by himself.

    Yes, the Lions lost more games than the Bears and Bengals, but does anyone seriously believe that’s Johnson’s fault? When Johnson caught 10 passes for 164 yards and a touchdown against the Titans, but the Lions’ defense and special teams fell apart in a 44-41 loss, was that an example of Johnson not doing enough to win? When Johnson caught 12 passes for 207 yards and a touchdown against the Vikings, but the Lions lost 34-24, was that an example of Johnson not doing enough to win? When Johnson caught 13 passes for 171 yards and a touchdown against the Colts, but the Lions’ defense gave up two late touchdown drives in a 35-33 loss, was that an example of Johnson not doing enough to win?

    And if we’re counting losses against individual receivers, shouldn’t we count it against Marshall that he caught just two passes for 24 yards in a loss to the Packers, and just two passes for 21 yards in a loss to the 49ers? If the Bears had won either of those games, they would have made the playoffs. Doesn’t Marshall deserve some blame for that? And how about Green catching one pass for eight yards in a loss to the Steelers, and three passes for 44 yards in a loss to the Cowboys? If the Bengals had won either of those games, they would have won their division and opened the playoffs at home instead of on the road. Doesn’t Green deserve some blame for that?

    It’s also odd that, if wins and losses are Ryan’s means of measuring receivers, he chose Marshall (whose team didn’t make the playoffs), and Green (whose team made the playoffs as the sixth and final wild card in the AFC). Why not a receiver on a division winner, like Atlanta’s Julio Jones, Houston’s Andre Johnson, Houston, Denver’s Demaryius Thomas or New England’s Wes Welker?

    As for Ryan’s claim that Marshall and Green were more deserving because Johnson “dropped a lot of passes,” well, that doesn’t really stand up to much scrutiny. Although dropped passes aren’t an official NFL statistic, Stats Inc. counts them. And Stats Inc. found that Johnson and Marshall dropped the same number of passes last season, while Green dropped just one fewer. So Johnson dropped the same number of passes as Marshall while catching four more passes than Marshall, and Johnson dropped one more pass than Green while catching 25 more passes than Green, and somehow dropped passes are the reason that Marshall and Green were better than Johnson last season?

    Johnson led the league in catches and broke the NFL’s single-season receiving yardage record by a big margin, and it’s silly to hold it against him that he did it while playing on a losing team. All-Pro recognition is an individual honor, and no receiver had a better individual season than Megatron.
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    How in the hell does that guy even have a vote then? Obviously if that's his method, that's fine, but he only applies it to Calvin not to Green or Marshall, thus creating a bias. Any chance they take away his vote for stupid stuff like this? I'm really not too familiar with the whole voting process.



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    Quote Originally Posted by blujaysrock View Post
    How in the hell does that guy even have a vote then? Obviously if that's his method, that's fine, but he only applies it to Calvin not to Green or Marshall, thus creating a bias. Any chance they take away his vote for stupid stuff like this? I'm really not too familiar with the whole voting process.
    Some people have bias opinions. He shouldn't be basing his votes on that though, but it's clear he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blujaysrock View Post
    How in the hell does that guy even have a vote then? Obviously if that's his method, that's fine, but he only applies it to Calvin not to Green or Marshall, thus creating a bias. Any chance they take away his vote for stupid stuff like this? I'm really not too familiar with the whole voting process.
    Meh Calvin was still top getter. I find this amusing how dumb people can be. Stuff like this makes me remember who's columns I shouldn't read.

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