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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmath View Post
    Thole & Happ or Lincoln will start the season in AAA.

    Injuries happen, depth is very important as we found out last season.
    For sure plus the more assets we have no matter how worthless they seem right now can be useful come trade season.

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    Window of Contention- AL East

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    When most people evaluate offseason moves, they focus mainly on the year ahead.

    But with the hot stove season winding down, let's forget about the 2013 season for a second and think about the future.

    This week, we're taking a look at every major league team to determine its optimal year for contention over the next five years.

    This doesn't mean this is the only year that the team can contend, but rather which year should provide it the best chance for a World Series title.

    To determine this, we looked at current talent, age of roster, farm system and payroll, as well as free agents who figure to be available and could help the team reach its goal.

    And if youre team isn't ready for a ring in 2013?

    Well, there is always next year. (Or the year after that.)

    Toronto Blue Jays
    Optimal year of contention: 2013

    Overview
    Expectations were high for the Blue Jays heading into 2012, and then they went out and finished 22 games out of first place with 89 losses. After an exciting offseason that brought the Jays one of the best shortstops in the game (Jose Reyes) and three excellent starters (R.A. Dickey, Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle), expectations are now through the roof in Toronto.

    The decline of the Red Sox and the expected drop-offs from the Rays and Yankees are also part of the reason the Jays are the favorites in the AL East, but there are plenty of questions still to be answered from a 25-man roster that could have as many as 10 new faces on Opening Day.

    On paper, they look like the team to beat for the next three seasons. In reality, these "dream teams" assembled in a short period of time don't always work out on the field. Just ask the Miami Marlins. But this was a talented group of players before this offseason, who just happened to struggle in 2012 without their best hitter, Jose Bautista, in the lineup for much of the season and with their "ace", Ricky Romero, struggling mightily a year after he was one of the best in the league. To show you how far they've come in one offseason, though, Romero is now penciled into the fifth spot in the rotation and rising star Brandon Morrow is the No. 1 starter. That's some serious pitching depth.

    TOR payroll outlook
    An estimate of guaranteed salary (GS) over the next five seasons, with the number of arbitration-eligible players in parentheses.

    YEAR GS
    2013 $110M (3)
    2014 $102M (8)
    2015 $90M
    2016 $27M
    2017 $22M
    *Source: Cot's Contracts

    Extension candidates
    Brett Lawrie, 3B (eligible for free agency after 2017): He didn't quite live up to the hype in his first full big league season, but he did post a .729 OPS as a 22-year-old while proving to be a very capable defender at the hot corner. Extending Lawrie to a team-friendly deal before he reaches arbitration might be a good idea considering he does have the 30-homer and 30-stolen base potential that would send his price skyrocketing during arbitration years if he actually reaches those numbers.

    Josh Johnson, RHP (2013): The former Marlins' ace wasn't quite all the way back to his former dominant self in 2012, but he did manage to stay healthy and make 31 starts and pitch 191 1/3 innings after missing much of 2011 with a shoulder injury. If the 28-year-old remains pain-free and he's back to pitching like an ace early in the season, the Jays might not want to let him reach free agency following the season. They'll have a nice head start over the other 29 teams that are certain to have interest in such a scenario.
    J.P. Arencibia, C (2016): Now that the top catching prospect in baseball, Travis d'Arnaud, has been traded to the Mets in the R.A. Dickey deal, Arencibia appears to have a long-term future in Toronto. The 27-year-old is responsible for working with what looks to be one of the more talented pitching staffs in baseball, while continuing to be a home run threat on offense -- he has 41 long balls over his first two full seasons. I think he can do slightly better than the three-year deals signed by Chris Iannetta and Nick Hundley a few years back; both received between $8-9 million with club options for a fourth year, but he'll need to get that OBP up above .300.

    Weaknesses
    Much of the focus has been on the new lineup and the new rotation, both of which look excellent on paper, but the bullpen is also a very important component to a winning club. Steve Delabar and Brad Lincoln are unproven in the late innings, and closer Sergio Santos is coming off of shoulder surgery. So although the group appears capable, and should be deep enough to deal with a few injuries here or there, this is not a group that strikes fear into opponents late in the game -- At least not yet.

    Potential free-agent targets
    There are still plenty of relievers available with late-inning experience, including Matt Capps, Kyle Farnsworth, Brandon Lyon, Francisco Rodriguez and Brian Wilson, among others. I'd be surprised if one of them didn't end up with Toronto before the start of spring training. Aside from that, the Jays are ready to go to work.

    Trade bait
    It's hard to envision the team falling out of the playoff race in 2013. If it does, you can bet that Johnson, the team's lone free agent-to-be, will be shopped, while super-utilityman Emilio Bonifacio and Colby Rasmus could also be put on the block. (Both are under team control through 2014). More likely, the Jays will be looking to add at the trade deadline, unless things are going so great they can afford to just stand pat. If designated hitter Adam Lind slumps again, as he did early in 2012, the Jays could pursue another bat. My guess is they look to add a reliever to solidify a bullpen that's decent, but not dominant.

    Waiting in the wings
    The Jays traded a lot of really good prospects from the farm this offseason to acquire Reyes, Dickey, Johnson and Buehrle, but they still have some talented arms in the low minors, and Aaron Sanchez is the best of the bunch. The 20-year-old has a very good chance to develop into a top-of-the-rotation starter. It might take another three years before he reaches Toronto, though. Lefties Daniel Norris and Sean Nolin should move quicker, but profile more as back-of-the-rotation starters.

    Marcus Stroman, the team's first-rounder in 2012, has the ability to move very fast and make an impact out of the Jays' bullpen some time during the second half of the season. If this is the case, it might have the same effect as acquiring a power arm at the trade deadline. However, Stroman will miss the first 50 games of 2013 after testing positive for a banned stimulant, so that is working against him.

    Future regulars (ETA in parentheses): A.J. Jimenez, C (2014); D.J. Davis, OF (2016); Aaron Sanchez, RHP (2015); Marcus Stroman, RHP (2013); Sean Nolin, LHP (2014); Daniel Norris, LHP (2015)
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Yorker View Post
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    Meh, as long as AA is our GM, I'm not worried.


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    "There are still plenty of relievers available with late-inning experience, including Matt Capps, Kyle Farnsworth, Brandon Lyon, Francisco Rodriguez and Brian Wilson, among others. I'd be surprised if one of them didn't end up with Toronto before the start of spring training."

    Hoping for this. BP could still use some veteran depth.

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    Evening gents. Almost spring training, time to rejoin the forums. Never been more excited for a season to start, obviously. Even got a chance to see some players web they came to Saskatoon for their winter tour...though the only person I got to see up close and personal was.....Jamie Campbell.



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    Since kj was so bad maybe we can sign him cheap for a power bat off the bench. Our. Bench has great speed but no power. He can play 2nd or the outfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapsjaysfan88 View Post
    Since kj was so bad maybe we can sign him cheap for a power bat off the bench. Our. Bench has great speed but no power. He can play 2nd or the outfield.
    We don't need another left hand power bat that strikes out a ton. If anything, we could use a right handed bat to platoon with Lind.


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    25 man

    Lineup

    vs. RHP

    J.Reyes - SS
    M.Cabrera - LF
    J.Bautista - RF
    E.Encarnacion - 1B
    A.Lind - DH
    B.Lawrie - 3B
    C.Rasmus - CF
    J.P.Arencibia - C
    M.Izturis - 2B

    vs. LHP

    J.Reyes - SS
    M.Cabrera - LF
    J.Bautista - RF
    E.Encarnacion - 1B
    B.Lawrie - 3B
    J.P.Arencibia - C
    R.Davis - DH
    M.Izturis - 2B
    E.Bonafacio - CF

    Bench

    vs. RHP

    R.Davis - OF
    E.Bonafacio - IF/OF
    D.Cooper - DH/1B
    H.Blanco - C/DH

    vs. LHP

    A.Lind - DH/1B
    C.Rasmus - OF
    D.Cooper - DH/1B
    H.Blanco - C/DH

    Rotation

    R.A.Dickey
    B.Morrow
    M.Buehrle
    J.Johnson
    R.Romero

    Bullpen

    C.Jannsen - CL
    S.Santos - SU
    D.Oliver - SU
    S.Delabar - MR
    E.Rogers - MR
    B.Cecil - MR
    J.Jeffress MR

    Depth (Buffalo)

    Hitting

    J.Thole - C
    A.Gose - OF
    M.Sierra - OF
    M.McCoy - IF/OF

    Pitching

    J.A.Happ - SP
    B.Lincoln - SP
    D.McGowan - SP
    C.Jenkins - SP
    D.McGuire - SP

    E.Crawford - LR
    S.Dyson - RR
    C.Jenkins - RR
    A.Loup - LR
    T.Hottovy - LR

    Injured

    K.Drabek - SP
    D.Hutchison - SP
    L.Perez - LR
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    I think all we need is a right handed DH/1B to platoon with Lind so we can send Cooper down to Buffalo. Maybe another veteran Bullpen arm (Brian Wilson, Brandon Lyon or Jose Valverde) would be icing on the cake.

    Other than that, AA has done a tremendous job putting together a competitive team.
    Last edited by Tmath; 01-19-2013 at 06:32 PM.


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    I don't see what makes anyone think Lincoln has a remote chance of becoming a successful starter. Besides where he was drafted I guess, which is obviously a pretty terrible reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2009mvp View Post
    I don't see what makes anyone think Lincoln has a remote chance of becoming a successful starter. Besides where he was drafted I guess, which is obviously a pretty terrible reason.
    Blue Jays manager Alex Alex Anthopoulos said on Wednesday that Brad Lincoln will be stretched out during the spring just in case the club needs another starter. If the right-hander does not make the 25-man roster as a reliever, he will be sent to the rotation in Triple-A.
    AA wants to stretch him out just incase of injuries.


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    Ugh, I hate that. He's just not good as a starter, while he's showed he can be pretty good at times out of the pen. We're well beyond beating a dead horse at this point, but this makes the entire Snider situation even more frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2009mvp View Post
    Ugh, I hate that. He's just not good as a starter, while he's showed he can be pretty good at times out of the pen. We're well beyond beating a dead horse at this point, but this makes the entire Snider situation even more frustrating.
    Hopefully we won't have to rely on him becoming a starter.

    Health is going to be huge for our whole roster, not just pitching. I'm still a little concerned about our depth.


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    Why do people want Blanco as the backup? He sux...

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    Backups generally suck, hence the word backup

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_jon View Post
    Why do people want Blanco as the backup? He sux...
    He's apparently really good defensively and Dickey said himself that Blanco has been the best at catching him.

    I think he also hits lefties pretty well too.


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