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    De La Rosa knows pedro and has his changeup?

    De La Rosa, who grew up in Santo Domingo, has known the Martinez brothers, Ramon Martinez and Pedro, since he was a child. His grandmother, he said Friday at the Red Sox rookie development camp at Harvard University, served as nanny to Ramon and Pedro when they were little, and he has kept in touch since.

    And now, De La Rosa says matter-of-factly, he has mastered the Martinez changeup. If true, given he also has thrown a fastball clocked at 100 mph even after Tommy John surgery, De La Rosa might stir some of the similar excitement his idol did.

    "He taught me the grip," said De La Rosa, who is listed at 5-foot-11 but is stockier than Martinez was at the same age, though he weighed just 130 pounds when the Dodgers signed him for $15,000. "I've learned how to throw it to both sides of the plate, to left-handed hitters and right-handed hitters. I really command the pitch. I can throw it inside to lefties.
    "Ninety percent of my strikeouts come on my changeup. I throw the changeup at three different speeds -- 94 miles an hour, 88 and 78."

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/...pedro-martinez

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    'Rubby' is gonna be common Beantown sexual innuendo if he has it that good

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    im really high on Rubby
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    I'm really excited about this kid. I think he will be amazing for us.

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    Can't wait to see him pitch.

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    Gotta love a good circle change. Love how one of his change up speeds was 94

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    what number prospect would Rubby be if he was eligible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rEdSoX=cHaMpS View Post
    what number prospect would Rubby be if he was eligible?
    Top 3 or 4 but his placement would vary among evaluators depending on whether you rank based on accomplishment, ceiling, or both. I tend to favor proven performance so I'd have him and Xander splitting the top two spots but flip-flop day-to-day on who'd be on top.

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    Hold on. Changing speeds and mastering locations is huge. But Pedro could throw it from different arm slots with the same arm action as his fastball and curve (minus the wrist being turned). That's a whole other animal to skin. Here's hoping.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomar View Post
    Gotta love a good circle change. Love how one of his change up speeds was 94
    I'm surprised that more ML pitchers don't throw the old three finger change, it's a lot easier to learn. Good for guys that can't master the circle.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Agreed. I'm glad he has a plus change up, but I'm not going to let myself expect too much based on what he and his coaches have said about him in a local article. Nobody in that piece would ever trash him. I hope he can stick in the rotation, because to me that looks like the biggest thing for him (that would entail his command issue).

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    It's cool that Pedro taught him how to throw it. The change along with his fastball are his two plus pitches, with the slider being more inconsistent. I don't know how his command over the pitch is, but command is one of the issues that lead some people to believe he will end up in the pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Lavigne43- View Post
    It's cool that Pedro taught him how to throw it. The change along with his fastball are his two plus pitches, with the slider being more inconsistent. I don't know how his command over the pitch is, but command is one of the issues that lead some people to believe he will end up in the pen.
    Sliders are also tough on the elbow and somewhat on the wrist and forearm. Injuries tend to come when the pitcher can't repeat the mechanics.

    Split, 2 seam, cutter - all easier on the arm, and he should be able to learn one of them well enough in a year or two.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    Sliders are also tough on the elbow and somewhat on the wrist and forearm. Injuries tend to come when the pitcher can't repeat the mechanics.

    Split, 2 seam, cutter - all easier on the arm, and he should be able to learn one of them well enough in a year or two.
    Recent history points to the cutter, but Beckett was pro cutter and is now obviously gone. Personally I've always liked the 2 seamer. Splitters always seems like the hardest to learn of those three, but I could be wrong there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomar View Post
    Recent history points to the cutter, but Beckett was pro cutter and is now obviously gone. Personally I've always liked the 2 seamer. Splitters always seems like the hardest to learn of those three, but I could be wrong there.
    I think the 2 seamer is my favorite pitch to teach to teenagers, and most effective. You can play around with how deep the ball is in your hands, and also change it with pressure changes on the fingers. An average 2 seamer is harder to hit than a plus 4 seamer for 12-14 yr olds IMO.

    Splits - either you can throw them on day 1, or it's a long and difficult path with uncertain results.

    If you can throw a 2 seamer, you have a good shot at a cutter.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

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