Who really killed JFK?

[abe_froman]

There is way too much evidence that things were covered up about both JFK and Robert Kennedy. You have videos and pictures that were in government hands that were clearly tampered with to remove certain frames and other evidence that went "missing" or got "lost". If you have evidence about the assassination of a United States President its not like they throw it in a misc bin. You don't lose that kind of stuff.

no there isnt.there are people who dont want to believe in where the evidence point.the idea that a lone nut could slip past the security net and kill a beloved leader shows people the imperfect nature of life.something they dont want to confront(even though thats always who it is,guys who arent on the radar ,guys who slip through the cracks),that prospect is so frightening that they have to build it up as something bigger than the guys they kill.

[Tongue-Splitter]

no there isnt.there are people who dont want to believe in where the evidence point.the idea that a lone nut could slip past the security net and kill a beloved leader shows people the imperfect nature of life,something they dont want to confront(even though thats always who it is,guys who arent on the radar ,guys who slip through the cracks)

You're saying that you believe beyond a shadow of doubt that it was Oswald?

[abe_froman]

You're saying that you believe beyond a shadow of doubt that it was Oswald?

yes,all evidence points to that.(despite what oliver stone says in a movie).most people's knowledge about this come from that or hearsay(i heard someone say it was the mafia ,ect.)these sources arent exactly evidence,nor are credible sources of information.

lets take the bullets trajectory in relation to the wounds-they line up perfectly from only coming from the book depository
eye witness testimony places oswald there at the time of the crime,the gun used was registered to an alias of his(a shot that an ex army marksman should be able to make)bolting away,when spotted by police after leaving he scene of the crime oswald shoots the cop and tries to buy a ticket to mexico(clearly a normal reaction of an innocent person,i know everyday i see a cop i shoot them),he had a history of trying to kill pols in texas (bragging to his wife that he tried killing others...but i guess she's an agent of the conspiracy to)

[metsbulls1025]

yes,all evidence points to that.(despite what oliver stone says in a movie).most people's the knowldge about this come from that or hearsay(i heard someone say it was the mafia ,ect.)these sources arent exactly evidence,nor are credible sources of information.

Those tests are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgec6oCdIvE

Now your going to say some guy on Youtube isn't a source or blah blah blah. However he uses the actual evidence to disprove this. All he does is match up the autopsy photo to where the bullet actually hits the target.

I did a research paper on this back in high school. I have mounds of evidence that proves other things went on that day. Not to mention the House Select Committee of Assassinations disagree with the Warren Report.

[abe_froman]

Those tests are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgec6oCdIvE

Now your going to say some guy on Youtube isn't a source or blah blah blah. However he uses the actual evidence to disprove this. All he does is match up the autopsy photo to where the bullet actually hits the target.

I did a research paper on this back in high school. I have mounds of evidence that proves other things went on that day. Not to mention the House Select Committee of Assassinations disagree with the Warren Report.

the house select committee was a shame,trying to find what they wanted(as most dont like hearing that it wasnt a conspiracy,as i said).all they came up with was a lot of accusations,relied on evidence and testimony that later was shown to be unreliable and little evidence to prove that the accept truth is wrong nor any alternative explanation of what happened


i have done reach on this subject as well,spent years on it,was obsessed over "finding the truth".starting out totally convinced it was a conspiracy ,but the more i learned the less credible all the conspiracy theories became,relying on little evidence and all on hearsay and individual leaps of truthiness(it feels like its true,so it must be),and the only thing that does attempt to use science and evidence to back up its claims is the accepted version,and you know what? it does fit

[downsos]

no there isnt.there are people who dont want to believe in where the evidence point.the idea that a lone nut could slip past the security net and kill a beloved leader shows people the imperfect nature of life.something they dont want to confront(even though thats always who it is,guys who arent on the radar ,guys who slip through the cracks),that prospect is so frightening that they have to build it up as something bigger than the guys they kill.

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[metsbulls1025]

Time to have some fun.

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk....html#assassin

Speculation.--Oswald spent the morning of November 22 in the company of other workers in the building and remained with them until they went downstairs to watch the President go by, no later probably than 12:15.

Page 644

Commission finding.--Oswald did not spend the morning in the company of other workers in the building, and before the assassination he was last seen in the building on the sixth floor at about 11:55 a.m. by Charles Givens, another employee.21

However we know this is BS because....

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley2.htm

Testimony Of William H. Shelley

Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, the day the President was shot, when is the last time you saw Oswald?
Mr. SHELLEY. It was 10 or 15 minutes before 12.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. SHELLEY. On the first floor over near the telephone.

SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS
Testimony Of Eddie Piper.

There has been a man that I know only as "Lee" who has been working there about 5 weeks. He fills the orders and I pack the orders. Yesterday at about 12:00 Noon, this fello Lee says to me, "I'm going up to eat" and I went on to my lunch. I went to the front window on the first floor and ate my lunch and waited to see the President's parade go by.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...sPageId=328802
FBI Statement from Carolyn Arnold

As she was standing in front of the building, she stated she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of LEE HARVEY OSWALD standing in the hallway between the front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor. She could not be sure that this was OSWALD, but said she felt it was and believed the time to be a few minutes before 12:15 PM.

Funny how Oswalt was last seen at 11:55 on the 6th floor. Then there is this nugget.

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk....html#assassin

Page 648

Speculation.--After firing the shots, Oswald could not have disposed of the rifle and descended the stairs to the lunchroom in time to get a drink from a soft drink machine and be there when Patrolman Baker came in.

Commission finding.---A series of time tests made by investigators and by Roy S. Truly and Patrolman M. L. Baker at the request of the Commission, show that it was possible for Oswald to have placed the rifle behind a box and descended to the lunchroom on the second floor before Patrolman Baker and Truly got up there. Oswald did not have a soft drink bottle in his hand at the time he was confronted by Baker and he was not standing by the soft, drink machine. He was just entering the lunchroom; Baker caught a glimpse of him through the glass panel in the door leading to the lunchroom vestibule. 41

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/reid.htm

Mr. BELIN. And then what did you do?
Mrs. REID. Well, I kept walking and I looked up and Oswald was coming in the back door of the office. I met him by the time I passed my desk several feet and I told him, I said, "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him."
He mumbled something to me, I kept walking, he did, too. I didn't pay any attention to what he said because I had no thoughts of anything of him having any connection with it at all because he was very calm. He had gotten a coke and was holding it in his hands and I guess the reason it impressed me seeing him in there I thought it was a little strange that one of -the warehouse boys would be up in the office at the time, not that he had done anything wrong. The only time I had seen him in the office was to come and get change and he already had his coke in his hand so he didn't come for change and I dismissed him. I didn't think anything else.

http://www.history-matters.com/archi...Vol4_0111a.htm
Oswald accounting for himself

According to the Commission, Dallas Homicide Captain Fritz asked Oswald to account for himself at the time the President was shot. Oswald told him that he ate lunch in the first-floor "domino room" and then went to the second floor for a Coke which he brought downstairs.

Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what he was doing in the lunchroom?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he was having his lunch. He had a cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Officer Baker and the Coke

Baker was asked by the FBI to give an affidavit regarding his encounter with Oswald in the lunchroom, Commission Exhibit 3076, Baker makes no mention of seeing someone moving through the glass in the doorway and states that he "saw a man standing in the lunchroom drinking a coke".

http://www.giljesus.com/jfk/CE3076__26H_679.JPG

The phrase "drinking a coke" is crossed out and initialed by Baker, but that deleted phrase, by its spontaneous mention, corroborates Oswald's story that he had already purchased a coke when stopped by Baker and makes a liar out of both Baker and Roy Truly.

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So if Oswald was already in the lunch room with a coke in his hand drinking it that means all the tests about him getting to the lunch in time can be thrown out the window. Not to mention all the poor investigating by the Warren Commission since I just showed you 2 witnesses seeing Oswald with a coke and Oswald himself saying he purchased a coke as well.

I have much more that I can thrown down.

[Vincent33]

Time to have some fun.

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk....html#assassin


However we know this is BS because....

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley2.htm

Testimony Of William H. Shelley


SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS
Testimony Of Eddie Piper.


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/ar...sPageId=328802
FBI Statement from Carolyn Arnold



Funny how Oswalt was last seen at 11:55 on the 6th floor. Then there is this nugget.

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk....html#assassin


http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/reid.htm


http://www.history-matters.com/archi...Vol4_0111a.htm
Oswald accounting for himself


Officer Baker and the Coke



http://www.giljesus.com/jfk/CE3076__26H_679.JPG

The phrase "drinking a coke" is crossed out and initialed by Baker, but that deleted phrase, by its spontaneous mention, corroborates Oswald's story that he had already purchased a coke when stopped by Baker and makes a liar out of both Baker and Roy Truly.

...........................

So if Oswald was already in the lunch room with a coke in his hand drinking it that means all the tests about him getting to the lunch in time can be thrown out the window. Not to mention all the poor investigating by the Warren Commission since I just showed you 2 witnesses seeing Oswald with a coke and Oswald himself saying he purchased a coke as well.

I have much more that I can thrown down.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6...8vpro1_500.gif

[metsbulls1025]

Then there is the obvious exit wound in the back of the head that many doctors have gone on record about.

http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/pa...land_wound.htm

GENE AIKIN, MD: "The back of the right occipitalparietal portion of his head was shattered with brain substance extruding." (WC-V6:65.)

CHARLES RUFUS BAXTER, MD: "...the right temporal and occipital bones were missing (emphasis added) and the brain was lying on the table..." (WR:523).

"Audrey Bell

"-Although only in Trauma Room One for 3-5 minutes, she did see the head wound. After asking Dr.
Perry “where is the wound,” she said he turned the President’s head slightly to the President’s anatomical
left, so that she could see a right rear posterior head wound, which she described as occipital in both her
oral remarks, and in her drawings;
-She said she could see brain and spinal fluid coming out of the wound, but could not tell what type of
brain tissue it was;
-She said it was her recollection that the right side of the President’s head, and the top of his head,
were intact, which is why she had to ask Dr. Perry where the wound was in the first place."(04/l 4/97 Summary of ARRB interview)

KEMP CLARK, MD: Professor and Director of Neurological Surgery at Parkland,

"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)

Drawing executed by Bell for the ARRB
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/pa...bell_wound.jpg

Drawing executed by Crenshaw for the ARRB
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/pa...shaw_wound.jpg

ROBERT GROSSMAN, MD:"He (Grossman) said that he saw two large holes in the head, as he told the (Boston) Globe, and he described a large hole squarely in the occiput, far too large for a bullet entry wound...".



" the second was a larger wound in the right parietal region (which he characterized as an
exit wound) that was not an open hole in the cranium, but rather a plate of bone, about 6 cm in longest
dimension, lifted up from the inside, which could really only be seen when Dr. Clark lifted up some of the
President’s hair" ( Grossman ARRB interview)

Drawing executed by Grossman for the ARRB
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/pa...sman_wound.jpg

I mean all these doctors describing a massive hole in the back of his head must be all BS.
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8...exitwoundk.jpg

[Vincent33]

Then there is the obvious exit wound in the back of the head that many doctors have gone on record about.

http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/pa...land_wound.htm





"Audrey Bell




Drawing executed by Bell for the ARRB
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/pa...bell_wound.jpg

Drawing executed by Crenshaw for the ARRB
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/pa...shaw_wound.jpg


Drawing executed by Grossman for the ARRB
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/pa...sman_wound.jpg

I mean all these doctors describing a massive hole in the back of his head must be all BS.
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8...exitwoundk.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...i6tmo1_400.gif

[metsbulls1025]

Here is a document with Jack Ruby having connections with the Government and Richard Nixon.

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/RubyandNixon.jpg

This FBI-document of 1947 recommends that "one Jack Rubenstein of Chicago" should not be called to testify for the Committee on Unamerican Activities, for he is working for Congressman Richard M. Nixon. According to the Warren Commission, Ruby had no connections with Oswald, Organized Crime or the Government. No wonder the header reads "This is sensitive".

[metsbulls1025]

I am tired and going to bed. However I have files on top of files to post in here.

[Pinstripe power]

The same guy who spit on Newman and Kramer, behind the bushes on the gravelly road

[jpro611]

Aliens

[Labgrownmangoat]

It was the 4th gunman shooting from an orbital mind control laser platform in space. He also had a coke!