Catcher is an incredibly demanding position. It's not suspicious to you that the greatest HR hitting catcher of all time also happened to play during the height of the steroid era? Thinking Piazza is clean is incredibly naive.
If you think Piazza deserved first ballot, then you should feel the exact same way about Bonds and Clemens, IMO.
I don't need rock hard concrete evidence to believe this. To me circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.
They weren't going to get in because the BBWAA made it their business to keep them out on principle but i still think those guys are without question the best pitcher and player of the last 30 years (arguably longer) steroid aided or not.
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I think baseball needs to give up on this sacrosanct stand against the steroid era.
It's counter productive, they will never escape it, and we will never know all the players who did and didn't do them.
They need to accept that its a part of baseball's history and if they feel they need to use an asterisk to describe that part of their history so be it but it's not going away anytime in the near future especially with all these players who played during it up for consideration in the coming years.
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I do think Bonds and Clemens should be first ballot HOF'ers, they were great players before they had their performance enhanced and their overall body of work can't just be ignored. But that's a seperate point.
I don't think it's fair for Piazza to be guilty by association. He was never linked to steroids in anyway, and whatever suspicions against him should not be held against him since there is not enough proof to back up those claims.
Well unfortunately for Piazza, he's probably gonna have to wait at least until yr 3 of eligibility which is really sad... With all these guys on the ballot again next yr, plus the additions of guys like Maddux and Glavine next yr who many think are "first ballot HOFers".... Mike probably won't get in again.
I might be mistaken, but I believe that Joe DiMaggio did not get into the Hall Of Fame on the first ballot.
From 2000-2004 he averaged 51 home runs a year (ages 35-39 where players aren't supposed to improve on their career numbers), it's pretty obvious when Bonds started to use.
Not to mention he got ****ing huge.
I mean he was hardly recognizable in comparison to the guy that came up with the Pirates in 1986.
As for Piazza, although there is no direct linkage to PEDS he certainly still could have used them..
I mean we would have to put our Met blinders on to admit it's not a possibility. The guy was a 62nd round pick and the only reason why he was picked by the Dodgers was a favor to Tommy Lasorda (his godfather), i mean unless he was Albert Pujols before Albert Pujols there is certainly a chance Piazza used PEDS to become the player he became.
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/88...clemens-deniedCurt Schilling made a good point. Everyone was guilty. Either you used PEDs, or you did nothing to stop their use.
The baseball writers did the right thing whether you agree with it or not
I'm just that damn nice