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    Is secession a possible solution?

    Just a few thoughts to stimulate discussion as I have seen a number of posts here recently that lead me to believe that there are some on this board who would jump at the chance. Oh, and there’s Alex Jones and his kind…..

    Some of you might call me stark raving mad for even raising this subject, but I see no reason for any taboo on discussing it. I was shocked beyond words at how many Tea baggers or TP sympathizers were seriously starting secession petitions after the election. As far as I could tell, most of these gun waving super patriots (based on their own words and admissions) lived in the south or mid west (no surprise there). Ok, these people may be fewer in actual numbers than their presence on the web suggests, and maybe we should just try to ignore them…..but here's how I see it.

    There are a number (actual size unknown) of very disgruntled right wingers in this country. There are a number (actual size unknown) of extreme social conservatives in this country, whose views on life, death, abortion, gay rights, minorities, women's rights, the place of religion in society, guns, health care, science, 'defense' spending, and the role of government in society in general, to name but a few, are so far removed from predominant societal attitudes, that there is no chance of ever convincing these people that they are wrong. These people will seek to continue to obstruct what the rest of society likes to call 'progress', consensus, and bi-partisanship, wherever and whenever they can.

    The rest of us are not going to be able to happily coexist with these people in the long term, tensions will almost certainly increase. Leaving the practicalities aside for now, and just speaking theoretically, why not turn this worrying and potentially dangerous state of affairs into a win-win for both sides by agreeing an 'amicable' parting of ways, a sort of secession by consensus, and enabling them to all live together in a place where they can live how they want?

    Or, are these people only such an insignificant minority that the rest of us should just ignore them?

    Just some rough, off the cuff thoughts. Discuss.

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    Well I do agree that I see things only getting worse as this country becomes more and more divided on all of these issues.

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    I am absolutely against secession. It is our solution as much as quitting is the solution when someone runs into the smallest sign of problems.
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    The country is huge, and secession would solve our own countries problems to a certain degree. But I think what we as humans need is a more united front. The problems this world face are beyond just the US, as hard as that is to imagine for us big heads. We're going to need to come together on certain issues with the rest of the world if we are to solve some of these problems, which include waste, climates, and population. The way humans live is unsustainable. For this reason I think Secession is a bad idea. More division isn't going to help matters any. More education is necessary, along with valuing intelligent recommendations from those whom are much smarter then ourselves.

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    i believe in patriotism...and secession goes against everything patriotism stands for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FOBolous View Post
    i believe in patriotism...and secession goes against everything patriotism stands for.
    I don't really believe in patriotism quite frankly. The notion that your government is better because of location or merely because you were born there makes no sense to me.

    That being said, I am not against this country and think we are doing much better than most nations because of the general rooting of our government and the entrepreneurial spirit that is present in this country.
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    I'm convinced that the parts of this country that want to secede (South mainly) would fall apart so quickly it would be a dystopia the likes we've seen in North Korea. I have little faith in a group of people that are so gullible and so easily bilked by their leaders, seems they already have their dead leader in place (Reagan) .

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    The US settled this issue 110 years ago. Most of this talk is just poor losers whining about the last election loss. The GOP needs to look to why they lost instead of blaming the voters for not voting for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyFan View Post
    The US settled this issue 110 years ago. Most of this talk is just poor losers whining about the last election loss. The GOP needs to look to why they lost instead of blaming the voters for not voting for them.
    The idea of secession is stupid. But I do think it is a relevant discussion starter when you have very large areas of the country that are having many of their morals and ideals voted against essentially by areas in a completely different part of the country.

    People in the south shouldn't have to abide by a law that many of them are against just because more people on the completely opposite of the country think otherwise and visca versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    The idea of secession is stupid. But I do think it is a relevant discussion starter when you have very large areas of the country that are having many of their morals and ideals voted against essentially by areas in a completely different part of the country.

    People in the south shouldn't have to abide by a law that many of them are against just because more people on the completely opposite of the country think otherwise and visca versa.
    Like making marriage between races legal? I realize that seems like ancient history to most of this board, but it was illegal in my lifetime. The year was 1967 when the Supreme Court made that ruling.

    Many people in the south were against such a law. Many today are still against such a law. Your underlying argument fails, unless you think states should have the right to make interracial marriage illegal.

    Make the argument.
    Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?

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    Stupid talk that will result in nothing. Yes, we have some major differences in this country, but their is a hell alot things that connect us as a people. Shared history and victories, and most importantly a shared culture and enemies in the world. Who would like to see us broken up? Russia, China, Muslim radicals. That alone would stop any craze notions of succession.
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    Succession isn't likely but 3 or 4 seperate countries would likely be more functional than 50 states with 300 million inhabitants being run from D.C.

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    I'm from Canada and we almost had Quebec separate not that long ago. At the time I couldn't have imagined a province separating because when you're younger you tend to have idealist notions about a united country - now I know better. Quebec is an insolvent uber socialist black hole with negative production for what seems like a lifetime; thankfully for them and the rest of us, the oil sands in Alberta is financing everything but I wonder when they'll figure out that they don't want to be part of the circus anymore.

    I saw a lecture by Doug Casey (finance TV guest) where he talked about how countries break up when the currency becomes weaker combined with cultural and societal differences. I can't imagine that the U.S would be exempt from that prediction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmsterNat View Post
    Just a few thoughts to stimulate discussion as I have seen a number of posts here recently that lead me to believe that there are some on this board who would jump at the chance. Oh, and there’s Alex Jones and his kind…..

    Some of you might call me stark raving mad for even raising this subject, but I see no reason for any taboo on discussing it. I was shocked beyond words at how many Tea baggers or TP sympathizers were seriously starting secession petitions after the election. As far as I could tell, most of these gun waving super patriots (based on their own words and admissions) lived in the south or mid west (no surprise there). Ok, these people may be fewer in actual numbers than their presence on the web suggests, and maybe we should just try to ignore them…..but here's how I see it.

    There are a number (actual size unknown) of very disgruntled right wingers in this country. There are a number (actual size unknown) of extreme social conservatives in this country, whose views on life, death, abortion, gay rights, minorities, women's rights, the place of religion in society, guns, health care, science, 'defense' spending, and the role of government in society in general, to name but a few, are so far removed from predominant societal attitudes, that there is no chance of ever convincing these people that they are wrong. These people will seek to continue to obstruct what the rest of society likes to call 'progress', consensus, and bi-partisanship, wherever and whenever they can.

    The rest of us are not going to be able to happily coexist with these people in the long term, tensions will almost certainly increase. Leaving the practicalities aside for now, and just speaking theoretically, why not turn this worrying and potentially dangerous state of affairs into a win-win for both sides by agreeing an 'amicable' parting of ways, a sort of secession by consensus, and enabling them to all live together in a place where they can live how they want?

    Or, are these people only such an insignificant minority that the rest of us should just ignore them?

    Just some rough, off the cuff thoughts. Discuss.
    Well, when former President George W. Bush was elected twice many of the left wing radicals that populate Hollywood, most university professors n and many of the main stream media threatens to leave the country. They never left. We are still stuck with them. I doubt anyone leaves now or secedes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    Well, when former President George W. Bush was elected twice many of the left wing radicals that populate Hollywood, most university professors n and many of the main stream media threatens to leave the country. They never left. We are still stuck with them. I doubt anyone leaves now or secedes.
    Seriously. I wish those "wingnuts" had left then. Everyone who is radical enough, on either side, to remotely consider secession should just go ahead and get the **** out. Go somewhere else. We would be better off without both extremes.

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