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    Quote Originally Posted by bcc View Post
    If it's that cut and dried then there should be no MVP award.
    The MVP doesn't just go to the best player on the team with the most wins. It's judged on an individual's performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFrush90 View Post
    No doubt, but you should also put as much emphasis on winning as losing, and Brady is almost equal on those two. If he was that much greater shouldn't he have put the team on his back and won at least one of those?
    Brady tried and failed. If he was that much of a machine then we might as well call him joe montana jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired-Up View Post
    Brady tried and failed. If he was that much of a machine then we might as well call him joe montana jr.
    But he still choked on the biggest stage. Twice. That's not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired-Up View Post
    We all know the story of Peyton Manning's postseason endeavors. There are basically 3 ways to go about it. You can blame the team and say Manning has been victimized. You can say that Manning has let the team down. Or you could say it's a combo of the 2.

    I fall under the combo part, but I lean strongly towards Manning has choked camp. Let's not forget this man had maybe the all time worst super bowl run win 2006. It's not as if he got over the hump to finally win the big one. He was basically pushed over the top by his defense/team.

    I'm not gonna say that Eli is better than Peyton, but his run in the playoffs have been better. Right now Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Peyton ever was. And that's almost entirely founded upon getting it done in the playoffs.

    Despite the fact that he is about to win his 5th MVP when he was yet again outplayed by another QB it's the playoffs where legacy is solidified.

    It was a great story for Manning to come back and play dominantly. He just MUST beat the Ravens. He can't go 1 and done. And then once/if he gets past them Brady will be waiting for him in the AFC Championship.

    If Manning were to win a 2nd ring and finally win one through an actual dominant postseason run I'd consider putting him in the Brady, Montana, Unitas tier. That's a tall order to ask, but he's dug himself in that hole with basically going 14 years without a dominant postseason run.

    So what do you think? How critical is this run for Manning?
    Rodgers is better now than Peyton ever was?? Sounds like the only thing your firing up is that Heisenberg meth, heyooooo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Philapsychosis View Post
    Rodgers is better now than Peyton ever was?? Sounds like the only thing your firing up is that Heisenberg meth, heyooooo
    Not to be "that guy"

    But if Rodgers ends up playing well and winning another SB and PM doesn't even make the SB. This may become common theory. Just throwing that out there.


    I've been saying since early this year, maybe preseason. If the Packers and Rodgers won the SB this year, all you will hear on ESPN for weeks is if he is the greatest of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlueCrew View Post
    So your picking Peyton to go the Superbowl then?
    indeed i am
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    Quote Originally Posted by FortDetroit View Post
    The MVP doesn't just go to the best player on the team with the most wins. It's judged on an individual's performance.
    And if that's the case, then put Chris Johnson and his 2000 yards rushing and 400 yards receiving in '09 ahead of Manning as well. Both Brees and Johnson had better seasons than Peyton.
    But from what I recall, Johnson wasn't seriously considered because according to the talking heads, he played on an 8-8 team while Brees and Peyton were on 13-3 squads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired-Up View Post
    Brady tried and failed. If he was that much of a machine then we might as well call him joe montana jr.
    BOLDS INDICATE WINS


    Brady Super Bowl Performances

    2011

    27 of 41 for 276 Yards
    65.9%
    6.73 Average
    2 TDs 1 INT
    91.1 QBR

    2007

    29 of 48 for 266 Yards
    60.4%
    5.54 Average
    1 TD 0 INT
    82.5 QBR

    2004

    23 of 33 for 236 Yards
    69.7%
    7.15 Average
    2 TDs 0 INT
    110.2 QBR


    2003

    32 of 48 for 354 Yards
    66.7%
    7.38 Average
    3 TDS 1 INT
    100.5 QBR


    2001

    16 of 27 for 145 Yards
    59.3%
    5.37 Average
    1 TD 0 INT
    86.2 QBR



    Manning Super Bowl Performances

    2009

    31 of 45 for 333 Yards
    68.9%
    7.40 Average
    1 TD 1 INT
    88.5 QBR

    2006

    25 of 38 for 247 Yards
    65.8%
    6.50 Average
    1 TD 1 INT
    81.8 QBR


    I don't think it is safe to say that Brady "failed" in either of the 2 Super Bowl losses. If he failed, then Manning failed by throwing the game losing pick 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by SFrush90 View Post
    But he still choked on the biggest stage. Twice. That's not good.
    Brady vs Montana vs Manning Super Bowls

    Brady

    127 of 197 for 1,277 YDS
    9 TDS
    1 INT
    3-2 Record

    Montana

    83 of 132 for 1,142 YDS
    11 TDS
    0 INT
    4-0 Record

    Manning

    56 of 83 for 580 YDS
    2 TDS
    2 INTs
    1-1 Record


    Brady and Montana are pretty close. The media's greatest QB of all-time is struggling a little though.
    Last edited by RateSports; 01-08-2013 at 03:48 PM.

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    Aaron Rodgers is a great player but lets not get carried away.. He's won 1 super bowl just like Manning.. Before Last weeks win His super bowl run were his only playoff wins. He's been 1 and done just like Manning has even while having the best record in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RateSports View Post
    BOLDS INDICATE WINS


    Brady Super Bowl Performances

    2011

    27 of 41 for 276 Yards
    65.9%
    6.73 Average
    2 TDs 1 INT
    91.1 QBR

    2007

    29 of 48 for 266 Yards
    60.4%
    5.54 Average
    1 TD 0 INT
    82.5 QBR

    2004

    23 of 33 for 236 Yards
    69.7%
    7.15 Average
    2 TDs 0 INT
    110.2 QBR


    2003

    32 of 48 for 354 Yards
    66.7%
    7.38 Average
    3 TDS 1 INT
    100.5 QBR


    2001

    16 of 27 for 145 Yards
    59.3%
    5.37 Average
    1 TD 0 INT
    86.2 QBR



    Manning Super Bowl Performances

    2009

    31 of 45 for 333 Yards
    68.9%
    7.40 Average
    1 TD 1 INT
    88.5 QBR

    2006

    25 of 38 for 247 Yards
    65.8%
    6.50 Average
    1 TD 1 INT
    81.8 QBR


    I don't think it is safe to say that Brady "failed" in either of the 2 Super Bowl losses. If he failed, then Manning failed by throwing the game losing pick 6?



    Brady vs Montana vs Manning Super Bowls

    Brady

    127 of 197 for 1,277 YDS
    9 TDS
    1 INT
    3-2 Record

    Montana

    83 of 132 for 1,142 YDS
    11 TDS
    0 INT
    4-0 Record

    Manning

    56 of 83 for 580 YDS
    2 TDS
    2 INTs
    1-1 Record


    Brady and Montana are pretty close. The media's greatest QB of all-time is struggling a little though.
    I'm not agreeing with him. I'm just using his logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyBoyJ View Post
    Aaron Rodgers is a great player but lets not get carried away.. He's won 1 super bowl just like Manning.. Before Last weeks win His super bowl run were his only playoff wins. He's been 1 and done just like Manning has even while having the best record in the league.
    The Rodgers that I have seen from the 2010 postseason till now is better than I've ever seen Peyton.

    The dominant super bowl run. The ability to avoid interceptions basically unlike Manning. The spiral and velocity that Manning never had. The ability to extend plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fired-Up View Post
    The spiral and velocity that Manning never had.


    Vinny Testaverde would give up his perfect spirals to have one of Peyton Manning's seasons. The fact that you count "spiral and velocity"...nvm,

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    Lolz this guy again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentzias View Post


    Vinny Testaverde would give up his perfect spirals to have one of Peyton Manning's seasons. The fact that you count "spiral and velocity"...nvm,
    I care how well a quarterback delivers the football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NormSizedMidget View Post
    Not to be "that guy"

    But if Rodgers ends up playing well and winning another SB and PM doesn't even make the SB. This may become common theory. Just throwing that out there.
    If Rodgers can keep up his level of play for the long term, then yeah, he would probably move ahead of Peyton in my book.

    The only knock of Rodgers at this point is the relatively short time that he's been considered "elite." Keep it up for 10 years and everyone will talk about him in the same breath as Brady and Manning.


    Fired-Up:
    "I care how well a quarterback delivers the football."

    Accuracy matters more than spiral and velocity. Montana used to say that he didn't throw darts at balloons-- he threw balloons at darts.

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