Like us on Facebook


Follow us on Twitter





View Poll Results: Who would you take for their entire career?

Voters
8. You may not vote on this poll
  • Tim Raines

    7 87.50%
  • Lou Brock

    1 12.50%
Results 1 to 5 of 5
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    36,946
    vCash
    1000

    Lou Brock vs Tim Raines

    I ask because it's an interesting discussion.

    The question is 'who would you rather have for their entire career?'



    Brock was Raines and Henderson before the 80's. But both would eventually surpass him statistically, Henderson easily.

    Brock is not a sabr 'good' ball player. Raines appears far superior statistically. But Brock had some intense and special live moments in his career.


    I bring this up because Bob Costas did.


    Raines - .294/.385/.425 - 123 OPS+, 808 out of 954 SB, 66.2 rWAR, 70.6 fWAR, wSB - 101.5, 10359 PA
    Brock - .293/.343/.410 - 109 OPS+, 939 out of 1245 SB, 42.8 rWAR, 53.2 fWAR, wSB - 75.0, 11240 PA


    I can see why Raines is the easier choice. It's interesting that so many have a hard time putting Raines in but Brock got in so easily.

    Something that really stands out

    BB/K
    Raines - 1330/966
    Brock - 761/1730

    Times on Base
    Raines - 3977
    Brock - 3833 (and almost 1000 more PA)

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    8,472
    vCash
    1500
    Tim Raines
    Favourite Teams:

    Boston Red Sox: 46-52, games this week vs. Blue Jays (4), Rays (3)
    Indianapolis Colts: Good draft and off-season so far.
    Looking for new NBA team to cheer for
    Ottawa Senators: 37-31-14, season over, free agency begins this week.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    36,946
    vCash
    1000
    I figured more traditional fans would weigh in, since Brock did some things over Raines. But all you have to do is look at the stats a little bit and see that Raines is easily superior.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Los Angeles County, CA
    Posts
    20,567
    vCash
    1500
    Raines is getting royally jobbed. He put up incredible lines. Took a ton of walks and stole a ton of bases at a ridiculously efficient rate, with a consistently strong amount of XBH.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    39,052
    vCash
    1500
    In the WS (Brock was in '64, '67, '68 - and I saw the last two) he was among the greatest and most terrifying players I've ever seen. Bill James said in his 2nd Abstract that Brock is the greatest WS performer of his lifetime.

    92 PA's:

    2B: 7
    3B: 2
    HR: 4
    SB: 14
    CS: 2
    GDP: 0

    .391/.424/.655

    In comparison Raines was a stumblebum in the WS, and meh in the playoffs.

    In 34 games and 134 PA's Raines had:

    2B: 7
    3B: 0
    HR: 1
    SB: 3
    CS: 3
    GDP: 4

    Raines had a meh slash of: .270/.340/.349


    Raines belongs in the HOF. Brock is a very low tier guy/out by the numbers, but, if you saw him live I think many of you would say he was deserving.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •