Current Lineup: Is it Enough?

[Sick Of It All]

I say 70 wins and a top 5 pick.

[metswon69]

I mean no Torres, no Thole or Nickeas, Duda and Ike should be better offensively (over a whole season hopefully), they might bring back Hairston.

The more i think about it, maybe it is possible they score more runs this year.

[YoungStuna28]

I mean no Torres, no Thole or Nickeas, Duda and Ike should be better offensively (over a whole season hopefully), they might bring back Hairston.

The more i think about it, maybe it is possible they score more runs this year.

Don't forget no Bay.

[metswon69]

don't forget no bay.

[Santana4Prez'08]

why is this even a thread? this lineup is awful. we have a minor league outfield, a pretty bad catcher (based on last year's woeful average from buck), and a pretty shaky infield. our offense is anemic

[YoungStuna28]

I wish my shaky infield had an all-star 3rd baseman, a 30+ HR solid glove 1Bman, solid everyday SS, and a good hitter at 2B with poor defense.

[metswon69]

why is this even a thread? this lineup is awful. we have a minor league outfield, a pretty bad catcher (based on last year's woeful average from buck), and a pretty shaky infield. our offense is anemic

Our INF is actually decent offensively, Buck is an upgrade over Nickeas, Thole, and Shoppach from a power and runs production standpoint and we don't have Bay or Torres anymore.

Duda, Ike, and Murphy should hit better i would think next year even if Wright regresses some offensively and if they bring back Hairston there lineup should be similar to last year.

Not good but not terrible either.

It's still a 70 win team regardless.

[numbers-king]

A numbers crunchers prospective:

Player AB HR RBI .BA SB
Nieuwenhuis-L 500 15 60 .275 12 He'd be a .235 lifetime everyday player. He'll be a career platoon.
Tejada-R 600 1 45 .285 6 Probably most accurate prediction here
Wright-R 650 30 105 .315 22 Very optimistic ABs bump everything else up. 600-25-95-.290-17
Davis-L 600 35 100 .280 2 Power numbers doable, but BA closer to .265
Buck-R 400 15 60 .245 1 No way he gets 400 ABs next year on wrong side of platoon. 250-8-35-.220
Duda-L 525 23 80 .265 4 BA too high (.245) but power doable
Cowgill-R 350 6 25 .270 15 Cut your HRs and SBs in half and drop BA to .250
Murphy-L 525 12 65 .285 8 Not bad. Needs 600 ABs for 12 HRs, but could crack .300.
Sub-Total: 4150 132 540 .280 65

[Wrigheyes4MVP]

Best offense in the NL.

[Dugmet]

Depends on the starting pitching, and the bullpen. In which case I say, no it is not enough to overcome the bullpen.

If the Mets resign Rauch and Hairston, I will feel marginally better about the team's ability to compete.

[Marty Mcfly]

I agree with the above sentiments. The chances are someone will have a poor year, it could DW or Ike, or DM anyone, it happens, that's why these kind of projections are useless.

They assume health.

They assume no regressions.

They assume no poor seasons.

They're all best case scenarios.

No-one ever factors in the negative possibilities.

[Marty Mcfly]

This team won 74 games with lights out and unrepeatable 2 out hitting for half a season, it is now worse thas it was then with the loss of a CY winner, losing Bay is a positive, but what difference is for ex. Cowgills offense over Bay's going to make?

Next to nil. TDA et al should be better than T(hole) et al, but again is that off-setting 200 world class innings pitched, is it ****. RA also saved the BP and could go deep is Hefner et al going to do that?

Nope.

The potential for an absolutely disgraceful season is right there, the potential floor is very low, just imagine if this team starts out slow and loses condfidence?

ugh...

I don't want to hear anyone complaining that this team stinks next season, if you're one of those people who are happy with them doing nothing again.

I on the other hand will be complaining until they start trying to win.

[metswon69]

This team won 74 games with lights out and unrepeatable 2 out hitting for half a season, it is now worse thas it was then with the loss of a CY winner, losing Bay is a positive, but what difference is for ex. Cowgills offense over Bay's going to make?

Next to nil. TDA et al should be better than T(hole) et al, but again is that off-setting 200 world class innings pitched, is it ****. RA also saved the BP and could go deep is Hefner et al going to do that?

Nope.

The potential for an absolutely disgraceful season is right there, the potential floor is very low, just imagine if this team starts out slow and loses condfidence?

ugh...

I don't want to hear anyone complaining that this team stinks next season, if you're one of those people who are happy with them doing nothing again.

I on the other hand will be complaining until they start trying to win.

You complain?

Never...

As for this team being garbage next year, i think everyone realizes that.

65-70 wins is still where i would put them.

The bullpen should be better and the offense although was very good in the first half last year should be more consistent as a whole this year.

The rotation shouldn't be that bad either..

No Bay, No Torres, No Thole are all very good things especially if they get more consistency out of Ike, Duda (at the plate) and if they bring back Hairston.

I think Baxter will surprise some people. His high OBP. is certainly a positive.

As for Kirk, we'll see how he adjusts and i think Cowgill and Brown could also surprise.

[fanofclendennon]

Here's one snapshot of what the team could accomplish if they made no further moves. It assumes Nieuwenhuis and Duda start to reach their potential and their defense is adequate, that Cowgill is a pleasant surprise, that Buck hits like he did as a 2010 All Star [23 85 .280] and not the .196 hitter he was last year and that the other four starters have healthy, normal seasons. A lot of IFs but if this is done there would be enough runs scored to rate in the middle of the pack. Just enough power and little speed. Adding back Hairston takes away a big risk if Buck stays below the Mendoza Line. I also want our CF platoon [Nieuwenhuis/Cowgill/Valdespin] to provide a leadoff hitter with some speed so we stop this one base at a time sluggish offense. Murphy and Tejada would alternate between #2 and #7 or 8th spot depending on the opposing pitcher/our leadoff hitter. I still would prefer a proven outfielder in case Dude and Kirk and the other kids are not all we hope for.

Player AB HR RBI .BA SB
Nieuwenhuis-L 500 15 60 .275 12
Tejada-R 600 1 45 .285 6
Wright-R 650 30 105 .315 22
Davis-L 600 35 100 .280 2
Buck-R 400 15 60 .245 1
Duda-L 525 23 80 .265 4
Cowgill-R 350 6 25 .270 15
Murphy-L 525 12 65 .285 8
Sub-Total: 4150 132 540 .280 65

Valdespin-L 300 10 35 .275 12
Turner-R 200 5 20 .260 4
Baxter-L 150 3 15 .275 3
Hicks-R 150 1 10 .255 2
Recker-R 100 1 10 .240 0
Sub-Total: 900 20 90 .260 21

D'Anaud-R 225 8 25 .280 1 [June]
Quintinilla-R 100 0 5 .250 2
Brown-R 75 1 5 .260 2
Rookies 150 3 15 .260 3
Pitchers 325 1 20 .210 1
Sub-Total: 850 13 70 .240 6

Total: 5900 165 710 .270 92

Enough for what? You didn't finish your question.

[metswon69]

Enough for what? You didn't finish your question.

To finish in 4th place i think is how he wanted to end it..

And the answer is Yes!!