3 members leave, 3 very different views

[TRIUMPHATOR]

Just read an article on another website (not sure if I can post the link-maybe someone can message me and tell me which are off-limits).

Very interesting that (if Oliver retires), we will have three departures of people under contract which are affiliated with the Blue Jays. Of the three, two are being vilified and one is not.

First Farrell, and his desire to go to his dream job in Boston. The way he handled it was atrocious.

Secondly Oliver, wants a raise but will play for the same amount if traded to Texas. This contradiction is making him look very bad to Jays fans.

Thirdly Ashby, broke his contract to move home. Somehow he has escaped critisism, and some people (myself included) are saying they will miss him.

My question/s; what makes breaking a contract acceptable for some and not for others? And what is the proper way to do it?

[JaysFan87]

Oliver is 42 and I think it was always assumed that he would retire at the end of this season.

Ashby also lives in Houston and really makes no sense for him (as a play-by-play guy) to be in Toronto if everything in his life is in Houston. I loved him here and its a shame he left but no one should hold a grudge cause he just wants to go home.

Farrell is a little different. It seems that he always wanted to go back to boston even when he was hired. And seemed to just be waiting to go back. But at the end of teh day do you really want to have someone here when they dont really want to be here?

[Korac]

2 of them directly affect the outcome of the Jays season. 1 is an announcer. Pretty big difference I think.

I see your point, and to an extent it is a double standard, but I do think that the above is a key difference.

[Sanyo]

Why its different?

For Farrell: He wanted to be manager of Boston but was blocked by Terry Francona and no one could have predicted what happened to the Sox organization in Sept of 2010 when they collapsed and that was the end of him. Farrell would have left last year but he was in his 1st year and the Jays refused to let him go. Then throughout the season you could tell Farrell had no desire to be here and he knew he'd be go back to Boston. Jays let him go, we hate him.

Oliver: He has a deal -- a deal is a deal. He's willing to play but at a higher price now, hence he's putting a gun to the Jays head. If he wants out no problem but it will be on the Jays term and it will be for $3 mil -- screw him!

Ashby: A professional, well liked. Home is Houston and he's technically employed by Fan 590 and Rogers, not the Toronto Blue Jays organization. So the Jays could not block him anyways and no one in media blocks anyone from leaving (unless it was a Fox guy to ESPN or something but I wont get into that). He's also leaving on good terms which is more than we can say about Farrell or maybe for Oliver, though I wont judge on the Oliver situation yet.

Hence, the main differences there.

[StealingSigns]

Aside from the obvious difference that the other two are players, when Ashby signd the contract, he was assured that if a lateral move or promotion became available in Houston, he could pursue it.

When Ashby signed he previous extension two years ago in May, he said program director Don Kollins was easy to deal with, promising that if a job opened in Houston, he would allow him to make the lateral move.

“I told Alan that I wouldn’t stand in the way of him or anyone who wanted to move home,” Kollins said on Thursday night. “That’s where he wants to be. He’ll be a superstar. I don’t believe in making people do something that they don’t want to do.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/04...-ashby-resigns

[StealingSigns]

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[riderfan60]

Aside from the obvious difference that the other two are players, when Ashby signd the contract, he was assured that if a lateral move or promotion became available in Houston, he could pursue it.



http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/04...-ashby-resigns

Yep. case closed, he dealt with the situation of an opportunity close to home up front and had an agreement with the Jays. The other two have acted with little integrity imo.

[Halladay]

I don't see the similarities between Ashby and the others lol come on now.

[TRIUMPHATOR]

I don't see the similarities between Ashby and the others lol come on now.

There are no similarities other then the fact they are breaking contracts( and in this case they have some affiliation with the Blue Jays -not employed by). Read the question/s again.

My question/s; what makes breaking a contract acceptable for some and not for others? And what is the proper way to do it?

[Twitchy]

The difference is Ashby told them ahead of time about his desire to do the hometown gig and the team said that was fine. With Farrell they made a specific rule to prevent him from doing that (a lateral move), and he still went out of his way to force a move so he could go to Boston.

In Farrell's case there was potential tampering, in Ashby's case he made it clear of his intentions and didn't hide it from his employer. The Jays were well aware that if the day came that the Astros had a spot open for him, that he would take it, and the Jays wouldn't stand in his way.

Additionally, Ashby was far more classy at making his exit.

As for Oliver, he was just trying to get a few extra million despite signing the contract last season. It's different than Farrell/Ashby, but again there was a lack of class in how it was handled (specifically his agent's comments to the Texas media).

[Halladay]

There are no similarities other then the fact they are breaking contracts( and in this case they have some affiliation with the Blue Jays -not employed by). Read the question/s again.

My question/s; what makes breaking a contract acceptable for some and not for others? And what is the proper way to do it?

Ashby is an announcer who has zero impact on the field and wanted to be home. All 3 guys are older and wanna be home, you're thinking too hard about this.

[Bob Loblaw]

i dont remember anyone mad at Chuck Swirsky when he left the Raps and that was for a downgrade from tv to radio. Thats a more comparable to Ashby

[TRIUMPHATOR]

Halladay et. al.

The question- what makes breaking a contract acceptable for some and not for others? And what is the proper way to do it?

[StealingSigns]

Halladay et. al.

The question- what makes breaking a contract acceptable for some and not for others? And what is the proper way to do it?

Ashby didn't break his contract. Part of the contract was that if a job became available in Houston, Rogers wouldn't stand in his way. Not sure how that wasn't made clear in my post above.

[Halladay]

Halladay et. al.

The question- what makes breaking a contract acceptable for some and not for others? And what is the proper way to do it?

As Stealing signs pointed out, Ashby didn't. AA knew from day one that there was a good chance Oliver retired and picked up his option anyway, it was never a guarantee from either side in his case. Farrells just a man who skipped town. I never said it was acceptable to do what he did, it was a douchebag move and the team is likely better without him. Now, it's not a big deal. At all. None of these guys were significant in the grand scheme of things.