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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    I think his initial demand was a 3 year contract. Quite likely they'll sign him for 2.
    That's a big commitment for the Mets, it's payroll they're commited to next eyar, they don't like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metsbulls1025 View Post
    Who would be a big time OF Heyman talks about?
    Heyman is just spewing ******** to make it sound like the Mets are in on Boras client Michael Bourn. Heyman is on the Boras payroll.

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    'We've still got money to spend' said Mets GM Sandy Alderson -

    How long before that's 'Well, we've got flexibility to make moves at the deadline'???

    I'll go for when P and C's report. Along with 'We're better than people think' and 'We're gonna surprise a few people' and 'I'm not sure where payroll is exactly'.

    Every single off-season the same charade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymfan87 View Post
    Heyman is just spewing ******** to make it sound like the Mets are in on Boras client Michael Bourn. Heyman is on the Boras payroll.
    What sort of idiot would believe the Met are in on Bourne?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Along with 'We're better than people think' and 'We're gonna surprise a few people' and 'I'm not sure where payroll is exactly'.

    Every single off-season the same charade.
    Don't forget, "We plan to be in it to win this season."

    "We're not giving up on 2013."

    "There's a lot of talent on this team."
    "Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Don't forget, "We plan to be in it to win this season."

    "We're not giving up on 2013."

    "There's a lot of talent on this team."

    Sorry, some pages have fallen out of my Mets playbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Don't forget, "We plan to be in it to win this season."

    "We're not giving up on 2013."

    "There's a lot of talent on this team."
    I would definitly agree with the last statement. We have some good, young players, both in the majors and minors. If we had a decent outfield, I could see the Mets being one of those gritty teams that are a pain in the butt to play.

    When you think about it, Wright, Ike, Ruben, Murphy, Harvey, Wheeler, d'Arnaud, Kirk, Niese, Gee, and others do possess a good amount of talent for a team that is suspected to win 65-70 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetsFanatic19 View Post
    I would definitly agree with the last statement. We have some good, young players, both in the majors and minors. If we had a decent outfield, I could see the Mets being one of those gritty teams that are a pain in the butt to play.

    When you think about it, Wright, Ike, Ruben, Murphy, Harvey, Wheeler, d'Arnaud, Kirk, Niese, Gee, and others do possess a good amount of talent for a team that is suspected to win 65-70 games.
    Theoretically they could be rebuilding. Theoretically.

    One of the many things that i love about baseball is how it is a team sport even though the action seems to boil down to the one-on-one dynamic of pitcher versus hitter. But make no mistake about it, baseball is every bit the team sport that basketball, football, hockey and soccer are, just in a different way.

    When you have an outfield completely devoid of hitting, it increases the burden on the other players to produce. When you lose your ace pitcher and number one innings eater, that increases the burden on everyone else.

    So while there is talent on this team, the story of 2013 will be the holes in the outfield, the bullpen, and the youth of the starting rotation.

    It remains to be seen whether these holes will be filled for subsequent years. But as it stands now, these holes are what will make us a 65-70 win team.
    "Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."

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    It remains to be seen whether these holes will be filled for subsequent years. But as it stands now, these holes are what will make us a 65-70 win team.


    And if we start emptying the farm system, we'll have too many holes too often all over again as we did thru the Omar years, every single season it was the same story, too many 'If's'. The Mets thru those years never had any depth, no farm and too many holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    It remains to be seen whether these holes will be filled for subsequent years. But as it stands now, these holes are what will make us a 65-70 win team.


    And if we start emptying the farm system, we'll have too many holes too often all over again as we did thru the Omar years, every single season it was the same story, too many 'If's'. The Mets thru those years never had any depth, no farm and too many holes.
    Hey look i think it's ok to deal some of our specs for OF help.

    Trade from an area of strength (SP) to fix how bad our OF situation is won't kill us long term from a farm system standpoint.

    Just has to be the right OF and the right specs to match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    It remains to be seen whether these holes will be filled for subsequent years. But as it stands now, these holes are what will make us a 65-70 win team.


    And if we start emptying the farm system, we'll have too many holes too often all over again as we did thru the Omar years, every single season it was the same story, too many 'If's'. The Mets thru those years never had any depth, no farm and too many holes.
    Well, Omar started sacrificing draft picks when he signed free agents before he built up the farm.
    "Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Hey look i think it's ok to deal some of our specs for OF help.

    Trade from an area of strength (SP) to fix how bad our OF situation is won't kill us long term from a farm system standpoint.

    Just has to be the right OF and the right specs to match.

    It's an area of strength right now, but we're already down a CY award winner, if we get JU it will be down a Jon Niese or a Syndergaard.

    We'll be back to square 1 before we know it, the farm isn't THAT good.

    Why not just sign Bourn and give up one 1st rounder?


    This Upton deal is insane - HE'S NOT EVEN THAT GOOD!!!!

    Where does he hit? CHASE FIELD LAUNCH PAD!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    It's an area of strength right now, but we're already down a CY award winner, if we get JU it will be down a Jon Niese or a Syndergaard.

    We'll be back to square 1 before we know it, the farm isn't THAT good.

    Why not just sign Bourn and give up one 1st rounder?


    This Upton deal is insane - HE'S NOT EVEN THAT GOOD!!!!

    Where does he hit? CHASE FIELD LAUNCH PAD!!!!


    Because speed is a far more regressive tool than power is.

    There's also the big difference with age as Bourn is already 30 and looking for a 5 year deal while Upton is still only 25 with 3 years left on his deal.

    Again i am not the biggest Upton fan and the splits are troublesome but the guy did finish 4th in the MVP voting in 2011 and he is still young. He has also posted 2 almost .900 OPS seasons already, once at 21 years old and the next time at 23.

    Some guys take a while to develop into that great player they are supposed to be. Upton has shown glimpses of that and its hard not to fall in love with his talent.

    Bourn is a good player but he is not worth anything more than 3 years (4 with a team or vesting option) and he is not the game changer Upton has the potential of being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Because speed is a far more recessive tool than power is.

    There's also the big difference with age as Bourn is already 30 and looking for a 5 year deal while Upton is still only 25 with 3 years left on his deal.

    Again i am not the biggest Upton fan and the splits are troublesome but the guy did finish 4th in the MVP voting in 2011 and he is still young. He has also posted 2 almost .900 OPS seasons already, once at 21 years old and the next time at 23.

    Some guys take a while to develop into that great player they are supposed to be. Upton has shown glimpses of that and its hard not to fall in love with his talent.

    Bourn is a good player but he is not worth anything more than 3 years (4 with a team or vesting option) and he is not the game changer Upton has the potential of being.

    Still not worth 4-5 times as much. Speed is regressive tool, but he is only 30, I think there's 3-4 good years in those legs. He's only payed 4-5 full MLB seasons, and he could run riot in the vast expanses of Citi Field, plus he's locking up CF which we all know is key and even more so in a massive park.

    The Mets had no speed on the bases last year, he brings that too. Ruben makes contact so does Murphy, DW hits for average too. There's players we have to get him home.

    Also look at the garbage team he played on for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Still not worth 4-5 times as much. Speed is regressive tool, but he is only 30, I think there's 3-4 good years in those legs. He's only payed 4-5 full MLB seasons, and he could run riot in the vast expanses of Citi Field, plus he's locking up CF which we all know is key and even more so in a massive park.

    The Mets had no speed on the bases last year, he brings that too. Ruben makes contact so does Murphy, DW hits for average too. There's players we have to get him home.

    Also look at the garbage team he played on for years.
    Yes but again Bourn is a complimentary piece whereas Upton can be a potential cornerstone piece.

    If Upton reaches his potential, he is a 30-100 guy with 20 steals, .850-.900 OPS, and a plus defender for at least the length of the rest of this contract possibly longer.

    He has that type of ability.
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