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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynny67 View Post
    Chill out guys.... what available OFer's do u think he should spend on? He made a great trade to get us two very good prospects. We have to rebuild.

    The last several yrs haven't worked. Time to rebuild and there's no one available right now that would help us contend for a WS in the next yr or even two so what's the point of wasting the money? I know he says we aren't punting the 2013 season but sure we probably are, but he can't say that..... realistically we won't compete until 2015 at the earliest.
    Don't...don't even dare put a date on when. Because all it does is increase, and it looks like a fools errand to believe. You are correct. The team is in a rebuilding mode, and that means no wasting money, until a new core is found (which the Mets have yet to do). That is all you need to say, putting a date on it, especially one that keeps increasing when it doesn't look like it will come to pass puts out a false hope.

    This team will be rebuilt when it is rebuilt. There is no deadline, and no date to look forward to.
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    1 year of Santana at his age coming off that injury is not very enticing to other teams. We would get way more for him by hoping he plays well until the all star break then flipping him (and paying $$$) for prospects to a team that is in contention. But even then, nowhere near the value of Upton. It would be for prospects only.

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    Santana has only one year left on his contract. He could win a world series for somebody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erickench View Post
    Santana has only one year left on his contract. He could win a world series for somebody.
    He's not the Santana of 2008 anymore.

    He'll have value to someone but only if he is healthy, pitching well, and if the Mets pick up most of his remaining salary at the deadline but he's not getting Upton.

    This isn't the NBA where expiring contracts have more value.
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    Delmon Young just signed a one year deal with the Phillies for $750,000.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...one--year-750k

    He hits righty and more importantly, he's a real Big League ballplayer. He's a big upgrade over anything in the outfield now.

    Not much money, but this is a team that refused to sign their #2 pick over $68,000.

    Please explain how not signing him was somehow a smart move?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coupon View Post
    Delmon Young just signed a one year deal with the Phillies for $750,000.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...one--year-750k

    He hits righty and more importantly, he's a real Big League ballplayer. He's a big upgrade over anything in the outfield now.

    Not much money, but this is a team that refused to sign their #2 pick over $68,000.

    Please explain how not signing him was somehow a smart move?
    He had an obp of .296 and posted an ops of .707. And Comerica Park is more offensively than Citi. He's weak defensively. He's isn't that good.


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    He's not just not that good, he's a terrible player that is below average offensively and abysmal in the outfield. Not to mention a bad attitude. So glad the Phillies are stocking up on "actual" big league players like Delmon and Michael Young. I don't know how Delmon got a big league job or why anyone wants him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coupon View Post
    Delmon Young just signed a one year deal with the Phillies for $750,000.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...one--year-750k

    He hits righty and more importantly, he's a real Big League ballplayer. He's a big upgrade over anything in the outfield now.

    Not much money, but this is a team that refused to sign their #2 pick over $68,000.

    Please explain how not signing him was somehow a smart move?
    You misunderstand their decision and don't understand the new draft strategy.

    The Mets decided they would rather move the money to the 2013 draft, add it to their pool, and potentially sign a better player. Stankiewicz wasn't the 75th best player in the draft. Teams employed a different strategy than selecting players in order of evaluation as they did previously. Many players were selected in the first ten rounds with the intent on paying them less than the allotted slot monies so that the remainder could be diverted to better players chosen from the 11th round on.

    Clearly the goal had been to sign Stanky for less than slot, and reallocate the remaining monies to help sign a player selected in another round. By the end of the draft and sign process, they felt they were better off not signing him at all and moving the money to 2013.

    It wsn't to save $68k, it was to add $680,000 to their 2013 pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coupon View Post
    Delmon Young just signed a one year deal with the Phillies for $750,000.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...one--year-750k

    He hits righty and more importantly, he's a real Big League ballplayer. He's a big upgrade over anything in the outfield now.

    Not much money, but this is a team that refused to sign their #2 pick over $68,000.

    Please explain how not signing him was somehow a smart move?
    Yeah big upgrade..

    The guy had a negative fWAR and rWAR value, that similar to Jason Bay..

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    I can't believe he's still only 26. He seems like a guy who'd be 30 something.

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    We'll he's 27, but yeah he looks like he'd be 30-something with his body-type and declined skills.

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    Our 2013 outfield is reminding me of one our great ones - 1994.

    Let's see, Kevin McReynolds (his last year in baseball and an unproductive one), Ryan Thompson, Joe Orsulak, Jeromy Burnitz, Jim Lindeman, John Cangelosi, Shawn Hare (who?) and Rich Parker.

    Will the 2013 turn our to be least productive?????? Doesn't look promising.....

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    Looks like Rubin may have been right after all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    You misunderstand their decision and don't understand the new draft strategy.

    The Mets decided they would rather move the money to the 2013 draft, add it to their pool, and potentially sign a better player. Stankiewicz wasn't the 75th best player in the draft. Teams employed a different strategy than selecting players in order of evaluation as they did previously. Many players were selected in the first ten rounds with the intent on paying them less than the allotted slot monies so that the remainder could be diverted to better players chosen from the 11th round on.

    Clearly the goal had been to sign Stanky for less than slot, and reallocate the remaining monies to help sign a player selected in another round. By the end of the draft and sign process, they felt they were better off not signing him at all and moving the money to 2013.

    It wsn't to save $68k, it was to add $680,000 to their 2013 pool.
    You misunderstood the draft strategy. They needed the $68,000 to help pay for the operation costs of their private Jet. The only pool they're worried about is the one in their mansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulie6986 View Post
    Our 2013 outfield is reminding me of one our great ones - 1994.

    Let's see, Kevin McReynolds (his last year in baseball and an unproductive one), Ryan Thompson, Joe Orsulak, Jeromy Burnitz, Jim Lindeman, John Cangelosi, Shawn Hare (who?) and Rich Parker.

    Will the 2013 turn our to be least productive?????? Doesn't look promising.....
    Who'da thunk we'd ever miss Jeromy Burnitz?
    "Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."

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