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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Yeah, he can't hit right handed pitching. But neither can any of the Mets other outfielders. The difference is unlike those other outfielders, he can hit left handed pitching. That makes him worth $4 mill a season on this team.
    Yeah but the thing is those players are already on our team and Hairston is not. So are we going to just add another 4th OF for 4 million dollars or are we going to continue to work the market like Sandy is doing?

    That is nice he can hit lefties. So that means for 4 million dollars a year he will be productive once every 2-3 weeks when we finally face a lefty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metsbulls1025 View Post
    Yeah but the thing is those players are already on our team and Hairston is not. So are we going to just add another 4th OF for 4 million dollars or are we going to continue to work the market like Sandy is doing?

    That is nice he can hit lefties. So that means for 4 million dollars a year he will be productive once every 2-3 weeks when we finally face a lefty.
    LOL then at least we'll have someone hitting every 2 or 3 weeks.

    Sandy hasn't been working the market. He's been shunning the market while signing retreats to minor league contracts. This isn't going to be a fun season.
    "Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    LOL then at least we'll have someone hitting every 2 or 3 weeks.

    Sandy hasn't been working the market. He's been shunning the market while signing retreats to minor league contracts. This isn't going to be a fun season.
    I guess we are back to talking about this being a rebuilding season.

    This coming season is going to be almost identical to last year. Regardless of what you think about the OF with Jason Bay gone it actually is better.

    Also as long as David Wright is David Wright and Ike bounces back this is going to be the same team winning around 70-75 games if nothing else is done to improve the team.

    But this idea that Scott Hairston needs to be signed "because he is at least a major league player" or "that he is the best OF on this team" is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metsbulls1025 View Post
    It is starting to become hard to figure out what day it is in this forum.

    Anyways it seems like it is starting to turn into should we just sign Hairston because it would be a major league contract and he is better than what we have. So let just sign him because he is 2 years at 8 million.

    That is ridiculous.
    That IS ridiculous! Why would we sign Scott Hairston just because he is better than what we have? What kind of baseball team operates like that?

    Also as long as David Wright is David Wright and Ike bounces back this is going to be the same team winning around 70-75 games if nothing else is done to improve the team.
    Um, how? We lost RA Dickey.

    D'Arnaud and Wheeler will come up at some point, but even combined they aren't going to do for us this season what RA did last season.

    But this idea that Scott Hairston needs to be signed "because he is at least a major league player" or "that he is the best OF on this team" is ridiculous.
    Yeah we don't need those "major league players" and who would want a guy that's going to be the "best OF on this team"? What?!
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    Hairston isn't worth the money he's seeking. A 2 year $4-5M deal is fair for everyone and doesn't obilgate him for extra playing time against RHP. If Hairston plays everyday, he'll be nothing better than what we already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoicSentry View Post
    That IS ridiculous! Why would we sign Scott Hairston just because he is better than what we have? What kind of baseball team operates like that?



    Um, how? We lost RA Dickey.

    D'Arnaud and Wheeler will come up at some point, but even combined they aren't going to do for us this season what RA did last season.



    Yeah we don't need those "major league players" and who would want a guy that's going to be the "best OF on this team"? What?!
    Because he is barely better than what we have giving his splits. The problem is you are acting like we are letting Miguel Cabrera walk away over a few million bucks. Hairston is a guy who can only help when a lefty is on the mound. Which doesn't make him any different than what we have.

    What makes up for Dickey is a full year of Ike Davis and some of our younger players getting better. I guess we can revisit this at the end of the year to see if we duplicate what we did last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Hairston isn't worth the money he's seeking. A 2 year $4-5M deal is fair for everyone and doesn't obilgate him for extra playing time against RHP. If Hairston plays everyday, he'll be nothing better than what we already have.
    I don't think he'll be a 20 HR guy either, unless he plays in the Bronx.

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    Scott Hairston is a tale of two players, that's for sure. There was the Scott Hairston who had an OBP of .290 in 2010. There was the Scott Hairston who couldn't hit a beach ball in April 2011. There was the Scott Hairston who looked like Barry Bonds on steroids from May through about July of 2011. And there was the Hairston with a career year in 2012.

    I'm thinking if the Wilpons want to charge me $120 to sit next to the right field foul pole for 4 games that they tried to sell me three months before the season started, the least they can do is pay Scott Hairston 8 mill over 2 years.
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    I don't know why I keep hearing there is interest from the Mets on Bourn. Let's put it like this, they won't offer him a multi year deal worth God only knows how much with Boras negotiating and even if they would be able to get him on a one year deal is it worth surrendering a first round pick for? IMO NO.

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    Why isn't he? Everybody else is getting serious coin for being nothing more than a slightly better than average player. If he is on the Mets is he not the best offensive player they have in the outfield? If the answer is yes then he is deserving of what he wants because the Mets are looking at a pathetic offensive outfield without his production.

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    If you guys think the Mets are cheap just take a look at what the Houston Astros opening day payroll is going to be around. Now they may contend with the '62 Mets for the distinction of worst team of all-time. They will be lucky if they have a 25 million dollar payroll. Johan Santana will make more than the entire Houston Astros roster and that will include Bo Porter's salary and his coaching staff. I ain't feeling so bad about the Mets fortunes after seeing that Astros lineup.

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    The Mets approach to this season is a disgrace.

    How fans don't want to see a better team on the field baffles me.

    I'd love to know how turning out this OF and BP in any way helps the team long or short term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoicSentry View Post
    That IS ridiculous! Why would we sign Scott Hairston just because he is better than what we have? What kind of baseball team operates like that?



    Um, how? We lost RA Dickey.

    D'Arnaud and Wheeler will come up at some point, but even combined they aren't going to do for us this season what RA did last season.



    Yeah we don't need those "major league players" and who would want a guy that's going to be the "best OF on this team"? What?!


    Agree, the notion that there's no point having major league players is ridiculous. The idea round these parts seems to be that the more we lose the better chance we have have winning in the future.

    I think the some of the younger posters are only interested in 'sexy' players. Which funnily enough is Omar ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SILVER SEAVER View Post
    If you guys think the Mets are cheap just take a look at what the Houston Astros opening day payroll is going to be around. Now they may contend with the '62 Mets for the distinction of worst team of all-time. They will be lucky if they have a 25 million dollar payroll. Johan Santana will make more than the entire Houston Astros roster and that will include Bo Porter's salary and his coaching staff. I ain't feeling so bad about the Mets fortunes after seeing that Astros lineup.

    It doesn't matter how the the Astros have it, that does not help the Mets at all. Look at their market and then look at NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Agree, the notion that there's no point having major league players is ridiculous. The idea round these parts seems to be that the more we lose the better chance we have have winning in the future.

    I think the some of the younger posters are only interested in 'sexy' players. Which funnily enough is Omar ball.
    I don't think it's about sexy players either honestly.

    It's about guys who make this team distinctly better.

    Hairston's career 7.2 fWAR over 9 seasons isn't earth shattering and the odds according to his career resume is that he won't have that type of success he had last season again next season.

    Just to put that into perspective, as "good" as a season as he had last year he had an fWAR of exactly 2, that was just a little bit better than Andres piece of **** Torres who had an fWAR value of 1.7. And that's without the expected regression in Hairston's game this year coming off a career season.

    With a player having essentially 1 win above replacement value annually, isn't it worth it to see the younger players play?

    For example, a lot of people complained when we let Reyes walk but it did open up an opportunity for Ruben Tejada and mind you that was a perennial AS SS not a platoon OF who gets on base at less than a .300 clip, only hits lefties, and really doesn't bring much to the table.

    Tejada has done a more than admirable job of filling that position, maybe a Cowgill, Kirk, or Brown do the same thing.

    I think that's the argument against Hairston and ultimately with that value the Mets could sign a Ben Francisco or a Nyger Morgan at a quarter of the price and get the same value out of them if they didn't want to go solely with the younger guys.
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