Who are the Top 10 Players of All-Time if no player has any rings?

[kArSoN RyDaH]

Who are the top 10 players all-time if no player has any rings at all?

[Will 2 BE]

I dont think it changes anyones top 10 really, mabey Lebron gets in the top 10 and replaces a Larry Bird or Bill Russel but the Kobe's Jordan's and Magic positions dont change

[ManRamForPrez24]

My list wouldn't change a whole lot.

My top 10 in no order, also off the top of my head so don't be too harsh.

Jordan
Bird
James
Shaq
Robinson
Wilt
Duncan
Kareem
Magic
Russell


Kobe cracks my top 10 based on team accomplishments. Longevity gets him real close without them...but he wasn't better than those players individually if you take away team success (again, it does depend on how you value longevity...and this season is making it hard to say that).

Actually, I'd make room for Kobe there without rings. This year has sold me. But it's MUCH closer. He benefits probably the most from team success...because individually (statistically) he is FAR from a top 10 player ever.

Isiah would get bumped down a ton. He doesn't look too special without rings.

Obviously the ringless guys would jump up on everyone's list. I think Barkley long has been underrated because of his lack of rings and misconceptions of his game. I've seen some Stockton slander lately...I think he'd be a clear #2 PG of all time in many more people's eyes if we weren't worried about team success (until Point God takes him over). Elgin Baylor is much better than many people regard him to be, perhaps because of rings.


But as a whole, i don't think there are huge movers and shakers.

[Longhornfan1234]

Duncan would be out of the top 10. KG and Charles (no rings) >.

[Hawkeye15]

Jordan
Jabbar
Wilt
LeBron
Shaq
Hakeem
Magic
Barkley
Bird
Oscar


Russell, and Kobe drop, their rankings to me are heavily based on team success, not individual talent. That is off the top of my head, so don't kill me some of the people I respect..

[Money_23]

1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Shaq
4. Lebron
5. Wilt
6. Magic
7. Oscar
8. Kareem
9. Hakeem
10. Duncan

[LakersMaster24]

If no rings are in play, Kareem > Jordan. Don't murder me.

[tredigs]

Jordan
Jabbar
Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem
Magic
LeBron
Barkley
Oscar
Duncan

Russell, and Kobe drop, their rankings to me are heavily based on team success, not individual talent. That is off the top of my head, so don't kill me some of the people I respect..

I'm a Russell die hard. He was the OG culture changer in the same vein as KG was when he entered Boston. I'm not sure there were many more important players to a franchises success than Russell to the Celtics. And they're among the 10 most successful franchises in sports history. No way he leaves my top 10.

Kobe does, so does Oscar. But they're close.

[Hawkeye15]

I'm a Russell die hard. He was the OG culture changer in the same vein as KG was when he entered Boston. I'm not sure there were many more important players to a franchises success than Russell to the Celtics. And they're among the 10 most successful franchises in sports history. No way he leaves my top 10.

Kobe does, so does Oscar. But they're close.

he doesn't have to man. I simply don't think he was as good a basketball player as some guys ranked behind him in general. His affect to the sport will forever be measured in a different way...

[tredigs]

And I realize team success walks the line with rings, but this is a team game regardless of those rings. What I'm saying is that your individual dominance can be greater than the sum of your talent, and obviously vice versa.

[Hawkeye15]

And I realize team success walks the line with rings, but this is a team game regardless of those rings. What I'm saying is that your individual dominance can be greater than the sum of your talent, and obviously vice versa.

sure, but this type of thread basically is saying, "who are the best players if you take away rings", not team success.

[Bruno87]

My list wouldn't change a whole lot.

My top 10 in no order, also off the top of my head so don't be too harsh.

Jordan
Bird
James
Shaq
Robinson
Wilt
Duncan
Kareem
Magic
Russell


Kobe cracks my top 10 based on team accomplishments. Longevity gets him real close without them...but he wasn't better than those players individually if you take away team success (again, it does depend on how you value longevity...and this season is making it hard to say that).

Actually, I'd make room for Kobe there without rings. This year has sold me. But it's MUCH closer. He benefits probably the most from team success...because individually (statistically) he is FAR from a top 10 player ever.

Isiah would get bumped down a ton. He doesn't look too special without rings.

Obviously the ringless guys would jump up on everyone's list. I think Barkley long has been underrated because of his lack of rings and misconceptions of his game. I've seen some Stockton slander lately...I think he'd be a clear #2 PG of all time in many more people's eyes if we weren't worried about team success (until Point God takes him over). Elgin Baylor is much better than many people regard him to be, perhaps because of rings.


But as a whole, i don't think there are huge movers and shakers.

Russell doesn't dump on Kobe statistically.

[tredigs]

sure, but this type of thread basically is saying, "who are the best players if you take away rings", not team success.

Yeah exactly. Which is why I couldn't take away Bill.

Here's mine off the top of my head - I'll go prime (5-10 years) as my gauge.

• Jordan
• Kareem
• Hakeem
• Wilt
• Bill
• Bird
• Magic
• Duncan
• Lebron
• Shaq

I tried to find Barkley a spot, but couldn't.

[TrueFan420]

Duncan would be out of the top 10. KG and Charles (no rings) >.

Duncan rings or not is better than both of those two

[Raps08-09 Champ]

Wilt or Kareem would make it a lot closer against Jordan for GOAT.