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    No, ODP doesn't deserve to be on the hand.

    In fact, the new acronym for him is NODP

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    Which is better because I refuse to call him ODP anyway, it's much too reminiscent of ODB, and that is an insult to the late ODB.

    NO DP! Vote NO on Da Pence! lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastSportz View Post
    People talks as all the problems with Ellis' game is new or recent and its not. He's always been a selfish player that lacked ball handling skills. He's always been a guy that didn't play defense and thats not to say he can't. He's the typical "ME" player.

    From a scouting report while he was still in high school:

    "He appears to be the closest thing we've seen to Dajuan Wagner since Wagner himself. He loves to dribble and dribble and dribble and then dribble some more. AAU ball has basically left him no grasp or comprehension of team basketball or fundamentals, and he probably wouldn't understand what's wrong with that if you tried to explain it to him.

    His biggest problem for the short and possibly long term is that he has no NBA position. He's a 6-3 SG with absolutely no PG skills whatsoever. That will limit his potential to contribute minutes initially unless he ends up on a horrible team. In the long term, though, he might not have the instincts or mentality to even become sufficient in this area. When he does try, his passing skills are average to below average. He forces the issue constantly, freezing out his teammates and showing absolutely no interest in getting anyone else involved. Although he is very young, his basketball IQ appears to be limited at this point, running into brick walls time after time while his teammates wave their hands and shake their heads in disgust. He does not appear to be interested in making an assist unless it's of the Sportscenter top 10 variety. He will often bring the ball up the court and immediately jack up a shot, before even looking in the direction of his teammates. The concept of running set plays is completely foreign to him, not being capable of doing anything in a half-court offense at this point except create his own shot off the dribble or drive and dish after drawing a crowd. He looks disinterested in what's happening around him unless the ball is in his hands, as his off the ball movement is extremely poor.

    Although most scouts I've talked to about high school basketball prospects don't really seem to care about this, his defense is horrendous. Ellis puts absolutely no effort into playing on this side of the ball, and just doesn't seem to understand the importance of stopping his man. He gambles on steals (he can be very quick to get out in the passing lanes), gets lost on rotations, gives up on plays completely once he gets beat, gets torched on the perimeter in man to man defense and refuses to rotate or play any type of off the ball defense. He did show some glimpses of potential in the all-star games when his back was against the ball and he had to perform well to have any shot at being able to declare for the draft, but nothing when he had the choice. He's got all the tools to be an excellent defender if he puts his mind to it, but he has to put his mind to it first.

    His intangibles are also somewhat questionable. Ellis has consistently shown a poor attitude and immaturity, pouting when things don't go his way or when the ball isn't in his hands for more than 5 seconds. He refused to shake anyone's hand at the end of the McDonalds game, because he was mad at his coach for not giving him more minutes at the PG spot (see links). His body language on the court looks very poor at times, while his quotes in the media make him look like an extremely cocky and arrogant young man. If he's already so full of himself at this point, when basically no one outside of NBA draft circles and Mississippi State fans knows his name, what's he going to be like in 5 years?"


    Its clear that they're still talking about the same player 7 years in. I bolded the last statement, because he just compared himself to Dwayne Wade. Even the Bucks' fans want him traded. The fact that this team received a player that hasn't really contributed for Ellis, but still is a better team should tell you something. He's a chemistry killer which is something I've been preaching for the past 4 years.

    Yeah? this is a later scouting report.

    July 31, 2008
    Overview: An undersized shooting guard (6-3 in shoes) who has become a very talented combo only two years after leaving Lanier High School for the NBA Draft. Has incredible quickness and leaping ability. Runs the floor as fast as anyone in the game. Isn’t very strong, but has put on some weight since entering the League. Has fully transitioned his offensive game to the NBA, and is one of the most efficient guards you’ll find. Won the NBA Most Improved Player Award after coming into his own in his second year pro. Still needs to develop his point guard skills, but the former second-round pick has already vastly outplayed his draft slot. Has the potential to be a great player due to his age and rapid development.

    Offense: Gets almost a third of his offense in transition, a testament to his speed. Another third comes from pick and rolls, with the final third coming from spot ups and isolations. Has become a very dynamic scorer early in his career. Can spark fast breaks by himself. Still trying to find his range. Has improved his shooting stroke, but isn’t always consistent. Could try and hammer out his footwork to avoid rehashing his mechanics. Gets to the rim more often than he pulls the trigger from the outside. Only 4% of his field goal attempts came from beyond the arc in 07/08. Quick first step and impressive crossover allow him to get into the lane without a lot of trouble. Goes to the line at a good rate and shoots a respectable percentage. Capable of driving and finishing with either hand, although he’s better with his right. Gets creative when finishing at the rim and displays great leaping ability. Good pull up jump shooter from mid-range. Needs to learn to keep the same rhythm on his set shots that he does on those off the dribble. Will turn the corner on pick and rolls with little trouble. Good offensive rebounder for his height. Could stand to work on his point guard skills, although he’s not turnover prone at all. Will need to show he can handle more minutes running the offense, something that he did infrequently up until 2009.

    Defense: A mediocre defender, as he lacks both size and length at the shooting guard position and isn’t aided in the least bit his poor fundamentals. Plays too many minutes, which likely hampers his effectiveness. He tends to bite on every pump fake and only occasionally will get into an aggressive stance. He does have excellent lateral quickness and is highly adept at getting into the passing lanes, making him fairly effective when asked to play pressure defense. He is also a fairly solid rebounder considering his size.
    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Monta-Ellis-289/

    Simply put, they were wrong about him. These scouts make mistakes.

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    Here's another scout...

    NBA Draft Profile: Monta Ellis







    Hometown: Jackson, MS

    High School: Lanier



    Height: 6’2

    Weight: 160 lbs.



    Rivals.com Player Ranking: 9



    Scouting Report:

    Big-time scorer… can really shoot the basketball… understands team dynamic… too thin… undersized two guard in the NBA



    Strengths: All-around game, shooting, unselfish




    Weaknesses: Size, weight



    Projected Draft Range: Late 1st to Early 2nd Round



    Player News: Read the latest national media articles on Monta Ellis



    Siegel's Take - Top 30 Scouting Reports

    “The only thing keeping Ellis in contention for the first round, is that this year’s prep class is inferior to last year’s, and its almost like GM's feel that there has to be a few high school guys in the 1st round at this point. His one saving grace as opposed to Louis Williams, is that teams feel he can be molded into a workable NBA point guard. However, its hard to imagine Ellis ever getting off the bench for at least 2 seasons if he goes pro. he doesn't have near the talent as recent high school to NBA projects such as Travis Outlaw or Dorrel Wright, who have yet to see serious playing time as pros.”

    http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft...montaellis.htm

    Scouts being wrong? NO WAY! Travis Outlaw and Dorell Wright.

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    should have traded ellis for draft picks like i have been saying all along. We would be great shape with draft picks or young prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellisgw View Post
    should have traded ellis for draft picks like i have been saying all along. We would be great shape with draft picks or young prospects.
    Yeah, that's worked out great for us. Here's a reminder.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...-60-easy-steps

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolPhillies View Post
    Which is better because I refuse to call him ODP anyway, it's much too reminiscent of ODB, and that is an insult to the late ODB.

    NO DP! Vote NO on Da Pence! lol.
    No DP? youre such a prude

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    NODP it is



    she says go for the championship

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    nodp

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    Quote Originally Posted by MackShock View Post
    nodp
    Nodps name can be insinuated with several different meanings in all languages around the world



    she says go for the championship

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    Harrison Barnes is a three point expert as well. He can drive and spot up.

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    I apologize asandhu, Monta Ellis is clearly as good as Dwyane Wade.

    Monta Ellis have it all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G9yS...ature=youtu.be
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbnen#31 View Post
    I apologize asandhu, Monta Ellis is clearly as good as Dwyane Wade.

    Monta Ellis have it all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G9yS...ature=youtu.be
    What? you really think he is going to sell himself short?

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    Who WOULD you trade for?

    What does this team need?

    I think what the Warriors need most is sitting on the bench ... Bogut!

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    I don't want more trades. Most of you here know I hate trading talent away and hoping we find a gem out there. Cohan did that every year and teams got rich off us when we made stupid trades.

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