The Biggest threat to Humanity is Democide, not Guns.

[MagnumVN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgCemznb6Lc

instead of blaming inanimate objects for all our problems, lets step back and look at what could probably be your problem someday.

[homestarunner93]

Oh yeah, I remember when the government commissioned Hurricane Katrina. That, or we forgot to put up our big defense bubble that would have kept it from hitting the United States. Get real man, this is complete and utter ********.

[asandhu23]

Alex Jones.

1 post guy who signed up to post this.

[flips333]

Post one and to the ignore list you go.

[stephkyle7]

Hilarious!!!

[behindmydesk]

Def am not agreeing with Alex Jones and somehow this is all the government's fault. But sad these things happen. Do think a few of these could have been avoided though if we did things differently the past 100 years.

[Angry Norwegian]

I wish more of these people showed up on PSD. It's always fun, if not interesting.

I understand the conspiracy motivation. Basically, it's the Gulf of Tonkin. Just an outright lie that was used as the reason for us to go to war. People in power blatantly and knowingly lied and deceived their people.

But I'm sorry... flouride in the water? Could anyone ****ing explain to me what that even means? And how the hell does that deserve to be mentioned next to the atrocities of the USSR and Nazi Germany?

There comes a point where conspiracy theory and Alex Jones goes from being an interesting way of thinking about power and its manifestations-- to just horseshit crazy-*** fear mongering. Which is the most ironic part, as Alex Jones and "professional" conspiracy theorists (like the Loose Change guys) are doing the very thing they criticize over all, CAPITALIZING ON FEAR.

But it's still hard to ignore the downright disturbing stuff including the Gulf of Tonkin **** and the fact that we're all slaves to the banks.

[behindmydesk]

I wish more of these people showed up on PSD. It's always fun, if not interesting.

I understand the conspiracy motivation. Basically, it's the Gulf of Tonkin. Just an outright lie that was used as the reason for us to go to war. People in power blatantly and knowingly lied and deceived their people.

But I'm sorry... flouride in the water? Could anyone ****ing explain to me what that even means? And how the hell does that deserve to be mentioned next to the atrocities of the USSR and Nazi Germany?

There comes a point where conspiracy theory and Alex Jones goes from being an interesting way of thinking about power and its manifestations-- to just horseshit crazy-*** fear mongering. Which is the most ironic part, as Alex Jones and "professional" conspiracy theorists (like the Loose Change guys) are doing the very thing they criticize over all, CAPITALIZING ON FEAR.

But it's still hard to ignore the downright disturbing stuff including the Gulf of Tonkin **** and the fact that we're all slaves to the banks.

Agreed, but I was more talking like the cambodia stuff , kent state, fast and furious and things where war killed someone. I am not believing in conspiracy theories more sad that the lives are lost when we might have been able to do things differently.

[stephkyle7]

But once again we see a political agenda...by the authors identifying "fast and Furius"
they ignore the fact that Project Gunrunner was begun in 2006,Under the Bush admin.

at some point in 2008-2009, the stae Dept notified The ATF that no prosecutions would be pending from their efforts because of the protections written into Gun laws By the NRA lobbying efforts.

But....since the NRA through the Republican party has preveted the appointment of a director to the ATF since 2008, there was no one involved that could directly prevent the practice from continuing.

to continue to throw "fast and furious" around like "pearl harbor" or "d-day" is RT. wing propoganda.

[homestarunner93]

But once again we see a political agenda...by the authors identifying "fast and Furius"
they ignore the fact that Project Gunrunner was begun in 2006,Under the Bush admin.

at some point in 2008-2009, the stae Dept notified The ATF that no prosecutions would be pending from their efforts because of the protections written into Gun laws By the NRA lobbying efforts.

But....since the NRA through the Republican party has preveted the appointment of a director to the ATF since 2008, there was no one involved that could directly prevent the practice from continuing.

to continue to throw "fast and furious" around like "pearl harbor" or "d-day" is RT. wing propoganda.

You don't think the person who oversaw the operation in the first place could end it? You are too much.

[stephkyle7]

what are you saying? that Holder began F/F?

He did not.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...vjmKOwqTCRizsQ

At some point in 2009 ATF was notified by the IG that the program was ineffective because the way federal law was written, the initial purchasers were in compliance, and only secondary sales were illegal,stopping the secondary sales did nothing to slow or prevet the initial sales.

without a department Head at ATF ,the chain of command to the field offices was compromised, republicans have blocked a director of ATF from being placed since 2008,people on the ground already invested in the program,never were told by any "direct report" to cease and desist.

Coming from a military background i can tell you, yes infact, until your Unit commander gives you the order, a request or even a demand from a higher athority IS IGNORED.

THATS WHAT A CHAIN OF COMMAND IS FOR.
the attorney general only has tangental authority, so Id like to know who you Blame?

see, the refusal to allow a head of ATF be named ,was infact a setup.
while no one could know what may transpire, having such a big department with no direct overhead certainly provided an fertile ground for malfiesance to run up the pole and lay on Obamas desk.

The republican party is to blame.

[behindmydesk]

what are you saying? that Holder began F/F?

He did not.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...vjmKOwqTCRizsQ

At some point in 2009 ATF was notified by the IG that the program was ineffective because the way federal law was written, the initial purchasers were in compliance, and only secondary sales were illegal,stopping the secondary sales did nothing to slow or prevet the initial sales.

without a department Head at ATF ,the chain of command to the field offices was compromised, republicans have blocked a director of ATF from being placed since 2008,people on the ground already invested in the program,never were told by any "direct report" to cease and desist.

Coming from a military background i can tell you, yes infact, until your Unit commander gives you the order, a request or even a demand from a higher athority IS IGNORED.

THATS WHAT A CHAIN OF COMMAND IS FOR.
the attorney general only has tangental authority, so Id like to know who you Blame?

see, the refusal to allow a head of ATF be named ,was infact a setup.
while no one could know what may transpire, having such a big department with no direct overhead certainly provided an fertile ground for malfiesance to run up the pole and lay on Obamas desk.

The republican party is to blame.

As they are with everything. It's always been the evil horned republicans since before the party existed. Not a damn thing they have ever done has been correct. We shouldn't even have term limits for anyone without an R in front of there name. All of them are racists and hypocrites. I learned that on here. Thanks.

[homestarunner93]

what are you saying? that Holder began F/F?

He did not.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...vjmKOwqTCRizsQ

At some point in 2009 ATF was notified by the IG that the program was ineffective because the way federal law was written, the initial purchasers were in compliance, and only secondary sales were illegal,stopping the secondary sales did nothing to slow or prevet the initial sales.

without a department Head at ATF ,the chain of command to the field offices was compromised, republicans have blocked a director of ATF from being placed since 2008,people on the ground already invested in the program,never were told by any "direct report" to cease and desist.

Coming from a military background i can tell you, yes infact, until your Unit commander gives you the order, a request or even a demand from a higher athority IS IGNORED.

THATS WHAT A CHAIN OF COMMAND IS FOR.
the attorney general only has tangental authority, so Id like to know who you Blame?

see, the refusal to allow a head of ATF be named ,was infact a setup.
while no one could know what may transpire, having such a big department with no direct overhead certainly provided an fertile ground for malfiesance to run up the pole and lay on Obamas desk.

The republican party is to blame.

You know they had an acting director for the ATF, right?