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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Andrew Brown and Collin Cowgill

    LOL!!!! Exactly, nobodies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
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    Reading this, realizing that it's true... makes me want to break something with my fist.

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    Why can't people see thru the BS, and thru to the fact that they just don't want to spend a single dime?

    You're all telling me that spending a few mill on 2-3 players will destroy the Mets for 10 years?

    How will winning 70 games next year with even lower revenues help the team down the line?

    Do you all just think the team and especially all these kids will just learn how to grind out wins for six months just because the calender says 2014 or 2015?

    Are you also willing to punt 2014 as well?

    How about 2015?

    WAKE UP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Why can't people see thru the BS, and thru to the fact that they just don't want to spend a single dime?

    You're all telling me that spending a few mill on 2-3 players will destroy the Mets for 10 years?

    How will winning 70 games next year with even lower revenues help the team down the line?

    Do you all just think the team and especially all these kids will just learn how to grind out wins for six months just because the calender says 2014 or 2015?

    WAKE UP.
    You are agreeing with the main theme of this post. It is penny wise and pound foolish to skimp on putting a solid team together for 2013. If nobody shows up the revenue will continue to dwindle. You've got to spend money to make money. Hairston, CYoung or Marcum, and a pair of veteran relievers could make the team competitive and cost altogether less than $15M...with a budget of $70M for 2013 this should be doable....and make the season worth watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Why can't people see thru the BS, and thru to the fact that they just don't want to spend a single dime?

    You're all telling me that spending a few mill on 2-3 players will destroy the Mets for 10 years?

    How will winning 70 games next year with even lower revenues help the team down the line?

    Do you all just think the team and especially all these kids will just learn how to grind out wins for six months just because the calender says 2014 or 2015?

    Are you also willing to punt 2014 as well?

    How about 2015?

    WAKE UP.
    I don't think anyone is arguing with you that if they don't add significant payroll in the next 2-3 years then the Wilpons have to go.

    We know that and no one is defending them outright aside the few we know of.

    Look, again if the Mets think they go the next 5 years without doing something to improve this team they are crazy. This is not KC or Pittsburgh where no one gives a **** how the Royals or Pirates do.

    SNY is very profitable no doubt but the Mets are losing a tremendous amount in advertising revenue (which is based on viewership and not subscribers) and in game money as they continue to let this team become indifferent among its fan base.

    If they want that money they are going to have to begin to invest in this team and show fans they have an interest in a competitive ball club.
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    The Mets will never be competitive again until the Wilpons sell this team.

    Moh Town!

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    Well what do you know...another thread about how the Mets are doing it wrong. Look there are just so many times I can either agree or disagree with the same old same old. Enough already. Do the Mets look bad...yes...rebuilding tends to do that. Should they bring in 4th OF's like Hairston again...and another round of chum for the bullpen? Why not...it wont hurt. But it didn't actually do anything last year, did it? If you can lose with guys like Hairston and a crap bullpen...you can lose without them and take a chance to see what you have full time.

    Now the object is not to lose, I understand this. But we cannot keep thinking the same old same old is the right answer. It's time to move forward, away from the old way of thinking. At least for now. Others keep throwing around 2014 as THE year of money. I do not believe this, and no one should. There is no due date. There is no line in the sand. No ticking alarm clock. This team is moving in a direction, and as fans we cannot see it...yet, and it scares us.

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    The coupons have no interest in spending money to put a competitive team on the field, aderson is just their little hand puppet. This franchise will never win a thing until these jerkoffs sell the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoicSentry View Post
    Reading this, realizing that it's true... makes me want to break something with my fist.
    Dude. Come on, you're being very un-Dude.
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    I don't think anyone is arguing with you that if they don't add significant payroll in the next 2-3 years then the Wilpons have to go.

    We know that and no one is defending them outright aside the few we know of.

    Look, again if the Mets think they go the next 5 years without doing something to improve this team they are crazy. This is not KC or Pittsburgh where no one gives a **** how the Royals or Pirates do.

    SNY is very profitable no doubt but the Mets are losing a tremendous amount in advertising revenue (which is based on viewership and not subscribers) and in game money as they continue to let this team become indifferent among its fan base.

    If they want that money they are going to have to begin to invest in this team and show fans they have an interest in a competitive ball club.

    Why aren't they helping the Mets be competitive with SNY money right now?

    We have been through austerity, no-one can tell me otherwise, we have one bad contract with 1 year left on it, the payroll base is already very low for a NY team.

    Look at the deals we have dumped, yet nothing has changed, they still won't sign a single MLB FA.

    Look round this board, fans think the Mets are just fine, there's only me and tiny minority of others who aren't in love with the current direction, most of you are very satisfied, 90% of the board is happy to throw away next season, and when it comes down to it, you'll be happy to throw away 2014 too unless the perfect FA's are available.

    I'd say that considering they've done to this team over the last 5 years, the fan base is reasonably happy. Look at Metsblog - the fans are overwhelmingly think the Mets are headed in the right direction.

    There's no fan protest really. They don't care in KC? who is caring in NY right now?

    We're getting the product we deserve in many ways. Just imagine if the NYY were in this mess, the outcry would be off the scale.

    You heard Fred's plan, the implication was 'You're gonna to have to fund my team in advance'.

    The only thing Fred is interested in is keeping the team, if we have to stink for decade, then we'll stink for another decade. Who is gonna force him out now his BFF Bud Selig (new contract in place)?

    Ya think this is bad? the idiot son is in line to take over, a man who has achieved absolutely nothing in his entire life, despite having every possible advantage money can buy. I'd be running for president if i'd got his background!!!

    Every single report you hear about him from anyone is that he is a total jerk.

    This is far bigger than MH, Wheeler and TDA can fix.

    Don't be surprised to see them effectively punt again next year, are you gonna be on board with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    Why aren't they helping the Mets be competitive with SNY money right now?

    We have been through austerity, no-one can tell me otherwise, we have one bad contract with 1 year left on it, the payroll base is already very low for a NY team.

    Look at the deals we have dumped, yet nothing has changed, they still won't sign a single MLB FA.

    Look round this board, fans think the Mets are just fine, there's only me and tiny minority of others who aren't in love with the current direction, most of you are very satisfied, 90% of the board is happy to throw away next season, and when it comes down to it, you'll be happy to throw away 2014 too unless the perfect FA's are available.

    I'd say that considering they've done to this team over the last 5 years, the fan base is reasonably happy. Look at Metsblog - the fans are overwhelmingly think the Mets are headed in the right direction.

    There's no fan protest really. They don't care in KC? who is caring in NY right now?

    We're getting the product we deserve in many ways. Just imagine if the NYY were in this mess, the outcry would be off the scale.

    You heard Fred's plan, the implication was 'You're gonna to have to fund my team in advance'.

    The only thing Fred is interested in is keeping the team, if we have to stink for decade, then we'll stink for another decade. Who is gonna force him out now his BFF Bud Selig (new contract in place)?

    Ya think this is bad? the idiot son is in line to take over, a man who has achieved absolutely nothing in his entire life, despite having every possible advantage money can buy. I'd be running for president if i'd got his background!!!

    Every single report you hear about him from anyone is that he is a total jerk.

    This is far bigger than MH, Wheeler and TDA can fix.

    Don't be surprised to see them effectively punt again next year, are you gonna be on board with that?
    The Yankees have their own problems with age and uncertainty past next year. I wouldn't jump on their bandwagon as an example for future short term success. In fact if the Mets begin to spend money on improving this team i would dare to say the Mets could be a better team than the Yankees post 2014 and for the next 3-4 years thereafter.

    As for us being satisfied, i don't think anyone is satisfied that this team has had a losing record since 2009.

    I just like a lot people here are better with the direction of this team than in years past.

    When's the last time the farm system has been this good?

    Having all this minor league SP depth to go with 3 top 100 specs (maybe a 4th when Flores hits Vegas) is not a bad position to be in.

    You are the one that mentions substantive runs, well part of being a team that can maintain a long run of being competitive is having a competent farm system that produces major league talent.

    Look at the Phillies, Rangers, Rays, Giants, Cardinals, etc etc and how they had reigns of success a lot of that was in juxtaposition to having a deeper farm system that could produce impact major league players.

    Bud is only under contract till 2014 and said he wants to retire at 80 years old. It's not like he is going to be the commissioner indefinitely and the nepotism will continue forever as the Wilpons continually spend like a small market team. We have no idea what will happen with that or if it even gets to that point.

    You generalize Met fans as a whole way too often..

    Nobody is excusing them to pass up on every FA for the next 5 years because they might not be the perfect fit.

    Perfect fits don't come along that often so if the Mets have to overspend, i am sure most Met fans are fine with that as long as they have a more definitive direction when they do begin to overpay players (hopefully that beginning next offseason). I am sure they are more than fine with that, in fact they might be giddy considering how inactive the Mets have been in the mid to higher tier FA market (or any FA market for that matter) over the last 4 years.

    I would be happy as a pig in **** if they got Corey Hart next offseason for example and then maybe added a Choo or Prado to cover up 2 OF holes.

    Spending for the sake of spending this offseason when D'Arnaud and Wheeler haven't played a major league game yet is what people are against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    The Yankees have their own problems with age and uncertainty past next year. I wouldn't jump on their bandwagon as an example for future short term success. In fact if the Mets begin to spend money on improving this team i would dare to say the Mets could be a better team than the Yankees post 2014 and for the next 3-4 years thereafter.

    As for us being satisfied, i don't think anyone is satisfied that this team has had a losing record since 2009.

    I just like a lot people here are better with the direction of this team than in years past.

    When's the last time the farm system has been this good?

    Having all this minor league SP depth to go with 3 top 100 specs (maybe a 4th when Flores hits Vegas) is not a bad position to be in.

    You are the one that mentions substantive runs, well part of being a team that can maintain a long run of being competitive is having a competent farm system that produces major league talent.

    Look at the Phillies, Rangers, Rays, Cardinals, etc etc and how they had reigns of success a lot of that was in juxtaposition to having a deeper farm system that could produce impact major league players.

    Bud is only under contract till 2014 and said he wants to retire at 80 years old. It's not like he is going to be the commissioner indefinitely and the nepotism will continue forever as the Wilpons continually spend like a small market team. We have no idea what will happen with that or if it even gets to that point.

    You generalize Met fans as a whole way too often..

    Nobody is excusing them to pass up on every FA for the next 5 years because they might not be the perfect fit.

    Perfect fits don't come along that often so if the Mets have to overspend, i am sure most Met fans are fine with that as long as they have a more definitive direction when they do begin to overpay players (hopefully that beginning next offseason). I am sure they are more than fine with that, in fact they might be giddy considering how inactive the Mets have been in the mid to higher tier FA market (or any FA market for that matter) over the last 4 years.

    I would be happy as a pig in **** if they got Corey Hart next offseason for example and then maybe added a Choo or Prado to cover up 2 OF holes.

    Spending for the sake of spending this offseason when D'Arnaud and Wheeler haven't played a major league game yet is what people are against.
    Great post man. I agree totally. I feel a lot of fans don't get that you can't just sign guys for the hell of it. We have a young team, and besides signing Hairston, a 5th starter and a bullpen guy or two, we're gonna have a similar team to 2012 besides the catching position.

    I'm excited to see what the future has. We have young talent for once since I've been a big fan (2003). Besides Wright and Reyes, who came out of our minor league system? Now we have guys like Ike, Harvey, Wheeler, d'Arnaud, Syndergaard, etc. It's exciting.

    Everyday I come on here, go on Metsblog, Amazin Avenue, etc, I see the same stuff, posted by probably the same, pissed off Mets fans: why don't we sign this guy, why not trade for that guy, it's annoying. I want to win as much as anyone, but I also understand that right now, the Mets aren't ready. There's gonna be sometime and some growing pains, but the day that Citifield is rocking in the top of the 9th with 2 outs and a 0-2 count on the opposing batter in game 7 with the Mets leading the game 3-1, it'll be worth it. These years will be looked back on fondly and the fans will see that this was necessary for us to win that World Series

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    [QUOTE=I'm excited to see what the future has. We have young talent for once since I've been a big fan (2003). Besides Wright and Reyes, who came out of our minor league system? Now we have guys like Ike, Harvey, Wheeler, d'Arnaud, Syndergaard, etc. It's exciting./QUOTE]

    While they may be the only stars we produced lately don't discount Niese and Parnell so fast...they could move up to All Star status in the near future. I look at Niese as our third starter for the next six years or more---solid lefties who throw hard are a rare commodity. Parnell did well without much around him and when you throw 98 mph you could have a breakout year with more experience. These seven guys could be our core for the next five+ years.

    While I would like the Mets to be competitive this year, I would only throw money at free agents in the under $5M stopgap category or go for a backloaded deal with a solid younger talent like Delmon Young or Bourn [$8M in '13, $14M in '14 and '15] with reasonable club/buyout options for years 4 and 5...with Young looking better if he doesn't cost us the #11 pick. Young had 112 RBIs and 46 doubles two years ago with MIN---the man can hit and he's only 28. David W, Davis, D'Arnaud, Duda and Delmon---the "D" Squad---righty/lefty balanced, could produce as our #3-7 core for years.
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